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Facial recognition: It’s time for action

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Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

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Post by sonnyblarney »

kaibee wrote: post #244
sonnyblarney wrote: post #212

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Only 3 Republican senators need to support it, and there's a ton of them that don't care so much for Trump. If enough industry people are on the side of it and/or there no populist fight over it, Trump would have no reason to veto it. I don't think Trump really cares that much about these things, it'll only be a thing if it turns into a pop-culture war in which he may choose sides. But if MS and a bunch of other heav…

> I don't think Trump really cares that much about these things, it'll only be a thing if it turns into a pop-culture war in which he may choose sides. > But if MS and a bunch of other heavyweights are in favour of it, he just might even go for it. I remember the first time I heard about Net Neutrality as an issue, in what, 2011 or something? I couldn't have imagined it becoming politicized at all. Plus, Wikipedia, G…

Net Neutrality will definitely become politicized because it's a war between layers of the value chain: carriers vs. Google.

Carriers are enormously powerful and influential so there will be a war.

If it's MS vs. Amazon ... well it's not one industry vs. the other.

But I agree it could turn into a pop culture war.

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Post by bo1024 »

buboard wrote: post #236
bo1024 wrote: post #192

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I think the main concern with biometrics is surveillance. Not as much the security problems associated with using the same password everywhere.

i think the implication is that, because it is insecure, it will not be deployed everywhere.

Hmm, I'm not sure that makes sense, since a lot of the deployments we're concerned about don't involve authentication (using biometrics in place of passwords), but other kinds of surveillance.

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Post by sgt101 »

godelski wrote: post #207
kromem wrote: post #170

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Except with a warrant, it's entirely legal (and has been for a long time) currently for a surveillance team to physically stalk you in areas with an expectation of privacy (TEMPEST, wiretaps, etc), and in public areas they don't even need a warrant (actually, in public areas, it's legal for anyone to stalk you - just ask celebrities about their paparazzi stalkers). As best I can tell, from a surveillance standpoint w…

I think this needs to be changed. What is a public space has changed drastically. What you can do with technology has changed this drastically too. Like where do you draw the line of what someone can do without a warrant? Follow you? Video tape you? Video tape an entire public area constantly? Have Arial footage of an entire city? All these things exist and are being done. There's good uses for all of them too. But w…

What's critical is who & why. I might follow you to find out where you go for a drink after work so that I can set up a brilliant surprise party for you there, on the other hand someone might follow me so that they can determine where best to murder them. A city might be filmed to support traffic efficiency and pollution control, if the footage then gets used to suppress political protest then it's a whole different thing.

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Post by pmontra »

Maarten88 wrote: post #176
geephroh wrote: post #11

This is a laudable first step in advocacy for real regulation of a technology that already has huge impacts on privacy and civil society. I was in the room for one of the meetings with Microsoft's senior leadership as a representative of a Seattle-based civil liberties group. While our coalition would like to see MS go further, it was quite clear that they take their commitment to corporate responsibility and ethics…

> He also denied that Amazon had any responsibility for the negative impacts of their AI/ML technologies I find it downright scary when corporations take shortsighted and immoral positions like that. It is historically very clear there are consequences to our work as engineers and companies developing and supplying technology. It is very important to know that we share responsibility for how our work is used starting…

> US based startups will use their lead to "disrupt" the market and introduce it here anyway.

How exactly? Maybe lobbying for relaxing the law? I think that maybe shopping centers and similar businesses could lobby for facial recognition. I hope both of them don't succeed.

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Post by thinkloop »

narag wrote: post #116
vinay427 wrote: post #60

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Sort of a tangent, but I wonder if there are any EU countries that have mandatory biometric ID cards. After a cursory (5-10 minute) search I found countries that either used to have ID cards but currently don't, used to have biometric ID cards but currently don't require biometrics, or have biometric ID cards that are optional. It does seem likely that in the future some country will, if it hasn't already, concede an…

Spain. I've owned a government issued ID with my fingerprints for forty years. That's no tragedy, believe me. I don't want government to have certain data and I don't want private companies to have other data. If you think about identity as a right , you might start to see things under a different light. For many private actions companies demand ID number. That reduces identity theft to a bad movie plot.

How does this prevent identity theft, do the private companies verify the fingerprints?

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Post by thinkloop »

whazor wrote: post #238
BurningFrog wrote: post #211

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Facial recognition for gym entrance sounds wonderful ! If that's banned I'll be in the Resistance!

Indeed, privacy-wise it is equivalent to having cameras recording. But convenience wise it is brilliant, when I want to do sports.. I do not want to bring keys or gym cards, just sports clothes

Far from equivalent my friend. Going through tapes is a manual laborious process that can only be done on a case-by-case basis. Transforming tapes into perfect database line-items that can be combined into a comprehensive profile on all your activities and whereabouts is a much more valuable and dangerous data set.

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Post by narag »

thinkloop wrote: post #266
narag wrote: post #116

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Spain. I've owned a government issued ID with my fingerprints for forty years. That's no tragedy, believe me. I don't want government to have certain data and I don't want private companies to have other data. If you think about identity as a right , you might start to see things under a different light. For many private actions companies demand ID number. That reduces identity theft to a bad movie plot.

How does this prevent identity theft, do the private companies verify the fingerprints?

The national ID prevents identity theft. If someone gets something using a fake ID, it's a problem of the provider, so they have every incentive to check the card and request a signature for every transaction. If someone gets past the first filter, you simply go there with your card and make it their problem, not yours.

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Post by fghtr »

nickrivadeneira wrote: post #167
saghm wrote: post #158

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Interestingly, there's a Wikipedia article on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

That wiki doesn't describe anything related to using the phrase for evil.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...

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Post by geephroh »

pauloppenheim wrote: post #114
geephroh wrote: post #11

This is a laudable first step in advocacy for real regulation of a technology that already has huge impacts on privacy and civil society. I was in the room for one of the meetings with Microsoft's senior leadership as a representative of a Seattle-based civil liberties group. While our coalition would like to see MS go further, it was quite clear that they take their commitment to corporate responsibility and ethics…

> I was in the room for one of the meetings with Microsoft's senior leadership as a representative of a Seattle-based civil liberties group. Which group?

My organization is Densho. We are a civil rights education and digital archive focusing on the history of the WWII Japanese American incarceration experience.
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