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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by vtesucks »

lwansbrough wrote: post #248
WalterGR wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2008. “Fuck you, Microsoft, for not bundling Firefox or Chrome.” 2018. “Fuck you, Microsoft, for bundling Firefox or Chrome.” Hilarious.

Very disingenuous comparison. Shows a lack of comprehension or wilful ignorance of the issue many have expressed in this thread.

"fuck you" is not same as stupid. The comment is good actually- edge has potential, why not open source it since you're not going to do much with it anyway in terms of making money. this also brings devs to windows eco system and helps them explore windows internals.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

> At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat

So instead of giving users more control over the update process and the telemetry settings, without dirty tricks to reset these and so on, they decide to use another browser. Fine, but that doesn't solve their basic problem with the perception of Windows 10.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] »

Analemma_ wrote: post #129

I hope everyone complaining about this, and the web monoculture it will crystallize, uses Edge (or at least Firefox) when they're on Windows. Otherwise you're part of the problem. Just like on the "Firefox's market share dips below 9%" thread, everyone wants to gripe about Chrome's dominance but no one wants to do anything about it.

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by xg15 »

err4nt wrote: post #145
SllX wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If open web standards are to matter at all , it is more important for there to be multiple viable implementations of the same standards than it is for the lives of web developers to become easier. Using the same engine across multiple browsers, open source or not, just doesn’t cut it.

People in web standards community kind of anticipate browsers (there are 4 main browsers now) eventually kind of consolidating down to 2 engines. This seems like a step in that direction. Who knows, Safari might be next :D

Interesting. What is the other engine?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ngokevin »

vtesucks wrote: post #6

On the one hand developers have one less engine to worry about. On the other if it becomes a chromium monoculture then Firefox loses.

Honestly, I think it’s a monoculture already and the fact that multiple engines exist puts up an illusion of competition. Google controls where the Web goes today, and that there is an oligopoly is a false symbol. At least Chrome gets more dominance, we can no longer pretend Google doesn’t already own the Web.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by xg15 »

mushu999 wrote: post #103
jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

WTF do you mean "lead to sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox"?? If Firefox follows the published HTML standards then there wouldn't need to be any special compatibility effort made by us web devs! That is exactly what made I.E. (and Edge) so cr@ppy in the first place!! /facepalm

The "published HTML standards" change all the time and are themselves constantly negotiated between the browser vendors.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ngokevin »

h1d wrote: post #13
vtesucks wrote: post #6

On the one hand developers have one less engine to worry about. On the other if it becomes a chromium monoculture then Firefox loses.

No, there's now more reason for gecko to survive. Can't have single engine dominate the web.

One engine already dominates the Web. Gecko is there just for show. Google more or less funds Gecko development.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ngokevin »

nerdbaggy wrote: post #146
fabrice_d wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The absolute number is not that important, the trend is. That's clear even in Mozilla's own data: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity shows they went from 303M monthly active users at the end of Nov. 2017 to 277M this year. This is a serious drop.

Not sure if I trust these metrics They say: "...widely distributed over thousands of websites." https://netmarketshare.com/methodology Looking at netmarkshet website and web requests it seems this pulls from gator.io for metrics. Looks like 3k-4k websites have this data which lines up with the previous statment. https://publicwww.com/websites/%22gator.io%22/

He linked to Mozilla’s own public data set though. I think other data sets corroborate decline. The 9% might even be optimistic.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by streptomycin »

cmsimike wrote: post #201
happymellon wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

http://modern.ie Free Windows VirtualBox images you can use for testing!

That has Edge 17, but not any past versions, and not Edge 18 which is the latest stable version.

With Chrome/Firefox, I can test in any version, as well as the development versions. And I don't have to jump through any hoops to do it.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by streptomycin »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

I test my app in Edge, every time a new version is released. When it inevitably fails, I shake my head in disbelief that Microsoft still hasn't paid a dev to spend a couple months fixing their IndexedDB implementation, which has been incomplete since the IE days.

Can't expect a small rag-tag group like Microsoft to compete with a rich corporate behemoth like Mozilla, I guess :)

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