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The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by kjeetgill »

4ad wrote: post #242
hnmonkey wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you somewhat. It seems that he initially wanted to buck the system and expose secrets for the purpose of exposing secrets and anarchy. It's possible this was a fantastic cover and he's always worked at someone's behest. Agreed completely with your 2nd phase. I don't think it works for Snowden. I actually believe he was ardently an American patriot who wanted to expose what he thought were illegalities an…

> I actually believe he was ardently an American patriot Assange is Australian.

They're reffering to Snowden.

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Post by hnmonkey »

4ad wrote: post #242
hnmonkey wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you somewhat. It seems that he initially wanted to buck the system and expose secrets for the purpose of exposing secrets and anarchy. It's possible this was a fantastic cover and he's always worked at someone's behest. Agreed completely with your 2nd phase. I don't think it works for Snowden. I actually believe he was ardently an American patriot who wanted to expose what he thought were illegalities an…

> I actually believe he was ardently an American patriot Assange is Australian.

The second paragraph wholly refers to Snowden as referenced in the first sentence of it.

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Post by [deleted] »

jMyles wrote: post #249
kuwze wrote: post #190

If he had kept his promise after Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning I would care.

What a silly point on which to turn your concerns about government misconduct, especially when it involves the 1st amendment. > Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning First of all, that never happened. You are drastically exaggerating the relief offered by the government. The government tortured this person for years and then, even after offering this (in the great scheme of things, small) gesture of commuting her sentence,…

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Post by stale2002 »

kjksf wrote: post #109
stale2002 wrote: post #80

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That's sounds like a political opinion that you just stated. Why are you trying to meddle in the political process, by engaging in political speech?

Unlike you, the law does make a distinction between expressing political opinion and unlawful interference with election process and we have independent judicial system to apply those laws.

Indeed it does have a distinction.

And the distinction is usually as follows: speech that threatens or criticises those in power is generally illegal, and the speech that supports it is legal.

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Post by buboard »

consumer451 wrote: post #227
buboard wrote: post #220

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Not everything is whataboutism. The parent is making a propositional fallacy in the form of a question "If A then B. B therefore A" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

This is a fair and logical argument. However, in this context, I would still like to know the what the grand parent was referring to when they mentioned “war crimes.” Btw, personal opinion: I am completely biased against Assange given his lack of openess against everyone but the Democratic Party. I used to think he was one of my heroes, now I think that he is just someone trying to save his own skin. His actions and…

I believe he s refering to civilian deaths which went undocumented, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_War_documents_leak

I believe the hero-worship of such persons is not useful. But they have changed the landscape and raised the bar for transparency from governments worldwide, which is undeniably a good thing.

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Post by hnmonkey »

wallace_f wrote: post #246
hnmonkey wrote: post #172

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There's literal proof throughout this post. In fact, I posted some too. There are definitely levels of threats to American democracy. If DWS refers to Wasserman-Schultz then it pales in comparison to an enemy foreign state's military intelligence corrupting the American government.

See you keep saying you can convince me, but still wont show me the proot that will. Do you really believe the Iraq Warlogs revealing death, torture, war crimes, and lying is somehow worse than literally subverting American democracy in a presidential primary? Now, I don't want to defend Assange's every single motive, but the DWS scandal was pure corruption, while for whatever bad Assange has done that you keep promi…

> Do you really believe the Iraq Warlogs revealing death, torture, war crimes, and lying is somehow worse than literally subverting American democracy in a presidential primary?

It's interesting... you're asking me if I really believe something that I didn't ever say and implying I did. I actually compared the Wasserman-Schultz situation (which I think is incredibly overblown) to a sovereign foreign government's military intelligence corrupting the American government. And yes, when comparing those two things, the latter is far more worse.

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Post by anoncoward111 »

armenarmen wrote: post #251
anoncoward111 wrote: post #136

[clears throat] USA killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civillians and is now jailing the whistleblowers [cough]

Americans (and I sadly speak for all 300mm+ of us) no longer give a flying fuck about illegal wars or mass murder. There is no peace movement, there won’t be ever again. Citizens will ignore the wars and entertain them selves by rage posting about either the red or blue team

I care a lot about the genocide and illegal wars :( I've written online under my real name and fake names, I've done deep original research, some of it gets fairly decent traction.

I think we all actually are legitimately powerless to stop the war machine and the majority of Americans who actually support it... so the rest of us are lost to apathy.

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Post by Heyokamerican »

monocasa wrote: post #230
midniteslayr wrote: post #34

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If they are a news organization, they do a terrible job of reporting the news. They are a black box repository for leaked data. They were once a great resource for info hackers and leakers to push their data, like back in 2008/2009. But that was before news organizations started using their own secure drop servers for sources. Once WikiLeaks sources started to not go to them, they started to look for other benefactor…

Was Ellsberg a terrible reporter since he managed to get the entirety of the Pentagon Papers (~4k pages) publicly released?

He wasn't a reporter at all; he leaked the Pentagon Papers to the NY Times (among others) which then published articles and excerpts.

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Post by Apocryphon »

ColanR wrote: post #245
kahirsch wrote: post #167

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Truepundit.com is a site with no named reporters but somehow still manages to get "scoops" from unnamed sources in the State Department, the Justice Department, the Pentagon, and the FBI. Yet these scoops are never confirmed by other sources and many of them are proved false, like these: * November 4, 2016: BREAKING: Comey Mandates All FBI Agents Report to D.C. Offices; Prep for Raids, Possible Arrests in Clinton Pro…

Two instances of getting it wrong doesn't negate the entire news organization. That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There isn't any news organization that hasn't ever got an article wrong.

That entire site looks like tabloid fodder.
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