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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by nprateem »

matt4077 wrote: post #118
Blunts wrote: post #43

It's astonishing to me that you silicon valley types still don't get, how much of a lead MS have on the compliance front (among others) that makes their cloud platform the only logical choice. In Europe, GCP is almost immediately disregarded, as they have, on multiple occasions, proved they cannot be trusted with your data, and legally required audits will destroy your company if you chose google as your provider(see…

I'm also in Europe, using GCP, know many others who do, and have actually never heard criticism of GCP with regard to data security. Yes, there are lots of people criticising Google. But for a business using GCP, my impression is that they have been pretty good crossing their t's and dotting their ö's during, for example, the recent introduction of GDPR. They have contracts and model clauses for different scenarios a…

Well things like the DeepMind NHS data transfer don't really help[1].

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/nov/14/google-be...

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Post by slededit »

wernercd wrote: post #259
slededit wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that was a bullshit excuse. They could have emulated it. Its not like 16-bit apps are on the bleeding edge of performance. Still nobody else is supporting 16-bit applications at all anymore so you have to give them credit.

> they could have emulated it What's the cost/benefit of that? How much would it cost to build it and how much could they make? You can theoretically do ANYTHING... but a business exists to make money... Why does Microsoft support 16bit? because - without a doubt - someone is paying them for that "extra" support.

When you make a business decision - don’t pretend it was a technical one. That’s why it’s a bullshit excuse.

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Post by msoad »

tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

Please please don't use code blocks for this kind of text. Impossible to read on mobile

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by Aeolun »

irrational wrote: post #127
Aeolun wrote: post #121

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Dawut? For real? I honestly cannot imagine the words ‘sales’ and ‘no suit’ together in a sentence anywhere in the world, much less Japan. I’m not even Japanese and I think by now I’d consider it more or less an insult.

It depends. At my company (70,000+ employees the last time I checked) even the CEO doesn't wear a tie, much less a suit (usually he wears a t-shirt and jeans). A sales guy wearing so much as a tie would not be taken seriously.

When they go to visit clients? In the office I can understand.

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Post by PaulHoule »

I find Google's products harder to use than competitors.

A year ago I did a shootout between visual recognition APIs by the like of IBM, Amazon, Azure, Google, Clarifai, etc.

Every API other than Google took less than 20 minutes to get logged in and running API calls.

To log into Google cloud services I had to install complex proprietary code just to be able to log in. Then when I installed the Python GCS API it destroyed my anaconda installation even though I wasn't working in the base environment.

I was able to get it to work but it took 10x longer than competing APIs.

It seems to be the same way for other GCS services. I think people at Google think they are so smart that developer ergonomics doesn't matter.

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Post by Aeolun »

ekianjo wrote: post #241
Aeolun wrote: post #121

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Dawut? For real? I honestly cannot imagine the words ‘sales’ and ‘no suit’ together in a sentence anywhere in the world, much less Japan. I’m not even Japanese and I think by now I’d consider it more or less an insult.

Maybe they did not mean it as an insult, they just came in their everyday working clothes I guess. The problem is that looked super unprofessional and left the impression to be a bunch of hipsters. After all, they are the image of the company, and dressing so casually in front on your client is... disturbing.

Oh, I’m sure of that. I doubt anyone would deliberately ruin their sales prospects. But knowing it and feeling it are two completely different things.

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Post by tzury »

msoad wrote: post #263
tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

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Noted.

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Post by api »

ec109685 wrote: post #207
api wrote: post #85

The fact that GCP doesn't have IPv6 yet (except for load balancers) is insane.

How does that limit you?

For our application it would make it a lot easier to directly communicate with phones and other devices on mobile networks among other things. It's a UDP-based native protocol. Google has UDP load balancers, but they obscure source IP and other info.

It's also just lame. It's 2018.

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Post by irrational »

Aeolun wrote: post #264
irrational wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends. At my company (70,000+ employees the last time I checked) even the CEO doesn't wear a tie, much less a suit (usually he wears a t-shirt and jeans). A sales guy wearing so much as a tie would not be taken seriously.

When they go to visit clients? In the office I can understand.

Absolutely. I work in global sales for my company. No sales person would be caught dead wearing a tie or suit.

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Post by romed »

wikibob wrote: post #238
romed wrote: post #149

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Snap doesn't spend it all on what you are all discussing here, though. Even though it's wrapped up in Google Cloud marketing, Snap's main use seems to be of App Engine, a product that is clearly in the lead among comparable products, as opposed to things like GCS and GCE which are clearly behind S3 and AWS, respectively. Snap also has a huge contract with AWS, for what it's worth. Other large customers like Apple als…

In what specific way is GCE behind EC2? I would argue on many points GCE is clearly significantly superior to EC2. The Google billing model is far better, they bill on straight CPU and Memory, which you can combine in any desired ratio. Amazon has well over 100 different instance types. Google gives you an automatic sustained usage discount. Amazon requires you to commit to reserved instances up front for 1 year mini…

Market share.
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