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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by robin_reala » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:18 PM UTC

thisisit wrote: post #225

sures wrote: post #103

I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year . Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary. 2003 - 0 YO…

Please use commas or even quote numbers in thousands. Otherwise it is unreadable. Edit: Here's an edited version for easy readability: 2003 - 0 YOE - 200,000( 3,000 USD) - Software Engineer - One of the very popular Indian IT firms 2005 - 2 YOE - 300,000 ( 4,000 USD) - Senior Engineer - Same as above 2007 - 4 YOE - 1,000,000 INR ( 14,000 USD) - Software Engineer - A small American company with their office in India 2…

For INR I would have expected the Indian numbering system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_numbering_system

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by YorickPeterse » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:18 PM UTC

davedx wrote: post #193

remify wrote: post #182

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I'm interested in moving to Netherlands. What would you say is the salary for a Full Stack dev with 5 year of experience. I work with Java / Node and have 2 years of experience with Angular.

Hi! If you're working in the major cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht, then it's fairly common to see salaries for a medior of something like 45-55k and more for a senior (I've seen upwards of 70k for some roles in finance). Some other notes to keep in mind when considering moving here: * There is a "30% ruling" for high demand skills workers like in IT that will reduce your income tax [1] * But, income tax in…

Dutch income taxes should be closer to 30% than 40%. This however depends on various tax discounts you may get. My tax rate is around 33% at the moment if I remember correctly

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by adam-a » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:21 PM UTC

davedx wrote: post #127

White male, born and raised in the UK, lived and worked in Australia and lately, the Netherlands. 1999: Intern developer at investment bank, £1500/month 2000: Java Developer at above, £40,000/year 2004: C++ Games Developer in Australia, AU$26,000/year 2006: C++ Games Developer in UK, £27,000/year 2007: C++ Senior Software Engineer in UK, £31,000/year + pension 2011: Java Developer in Netherlands, €44,000/year + pensi…

I have a similar story to you perhaps:

2009: £16k - Junior dev at games company (Scotland)

2010: £23k - Junior dev at web company (London)

2011: £26k - Dev at startup (London)

2014: £32k - Senior dev at same startup

2015: £350/day - Web freelancer (London)

2017: £220/day - Unity freelancer (London)

2018: £300/day - Unity freelancer (remote)

It definitely feels like you can do a lot better as a freelancer in the UK but it's more of a headache in terms of taxes pensions etc, and obviously less secure. And also yeah, games is badly paid compared to other areas.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by apexalpha » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:22 PM UTC

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #247

apexalpha wrote: post #169

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My #2 = €45k or so, but in my country (Netherlands) this number, usually, doesn't include pension contributions which are 6k a year in my firm. I don't actually know how much #3 is. But my #1 = (2330 * 12) * 1,125% (end of year bonus).

Geen Vakantiegeld?

Zit in die 12,5%!

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:23 PM UTC

iLemming wrote: post #73

Everyone excited about SF Bay salaries - please don't forget how expensive is to live here. My rent is $3K/m (half of my net salary) and that's considered "a decent rate" for 3 bedrooms. Simple salad or a sandwich will cost you ~$15. Round-trip fare on BART - $11. So just to get to work and eat something over lunch will cost you over $600/m. If you're offered a job here with relocation - negotiate! If possible - bett…

One thing I never see taken into account besides what you mentioned is the Cali state income tax. I live and work in a state with no state income tax and that lops off a good 7-10% in salary discrepancies before even starting to discuss housing and the like.

COLA calculators are pretty good at highlighting this. Last time I punched my numbers into one it looked as if I would have to just about double my salary to have the same QOL in Bay Area.

The one upside to Bay Area salary vs cost of living that is worth considering, especially earlier in your career, is that it significantly weakens the purchasing power of fixed cost loans like student loans and vehicles. It would probably make a lot more financial sense to take a mild hit in QOL and higher salary if one has a lot of student loans or wants a nicer car.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by thisisit » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:23 PM UTC

azhenley wrote: post #257

thisisit wrote: post #225

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Please use commas or even quote numbers in thousands. Otherwise it is unreadable. Edit: Here's an edited version for easy readability: 2003 - 0 YOE - 200,000( 3,000 USD) - Software Engineer - One of the very popular Indian IT firms 2005 - 2 YOE - 300,000 ( 4,000 USD) - Senior Engineer - Same as above 2007 - 4 YOE - 1,000,000 INR ( 14,000 USD) - Software Engineer - A small American company with their office in India 2…

Why did you omit a zero from the larger numbers? That seems to make it less readable to me (or at least confusing).

Which number is missing a zero?

9500000 is 9,500,000

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by sjg007 » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:26 PM UTC

freditup wrote: post #26

I'm actually surprised that as a 'Principal Architect' he was only making $208,000 a year. Considering that entry-level positions at large companies which can have cash compensation of around $150,000+, it seems he may have been 'underpaid'. Of course $208,000 is nothing to scoff at, and money is hardly the most important thing when it comes to life. Just interesting to see that a reasonably large Bay-area company wo…

Entry level 150k is a lawyer or quant maybe.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by thisisit » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:27 PM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #261

thisisit wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please use commas or even quote numbers in thousands. Otherwise it is unreadable. Edit: Here's an edited version for easy readability: 2003 - 0 YOE - 200,000( 3,000 USD) - Software Engineer - One of the very popular Indian IT firms 2005 - 2 YOE - 300,000 ( 4,000 USD) - Senior Engineer - Same as above 2007 - 4 YOE - 1,000,000 INR ( 14,000 USD) - Software Engineer - A small American company with their office in India 2…

For INR I would have expected the Indian numbering system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_numbering_system

I know but given the audience this system seemed more apt.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by pjc50 » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:27 PM UTC

ponyous wrote: post #235

sunaurus wrote: post #141

I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

Seems like it's more important to change titles than company according to your history. To be honest I'm a bit offended you consider yourself senior with 2 years of experience.

I got promoted to "senior" developer less than 6 months out of university because my employer wanted to inflate the credibility of his consulting business.

Job titles aren't standardised and can be pretty meaningless between organisations.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by sjwright » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:28 PM UTC

yitchelle wrote: post #242

talaketu wrote: post #214

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though "what you actually get" in the long run includes superannuation in Australia, but people do not count it as a component of their gross income.

Not really, it is kinda "unseen" as its not part of the money that goes into you pocket after taxes. You only get into your pocket when retired.

It's most definitely your money. You earned it. The money was transferred from your employer's bank account to an account in your name. The only difference is you can't spend it today.

( It was a clever mind hack by the Keating Labor government to have super not be a subset of your base salary, but rather as an on-top-of entitlement for employees—or from the employer's perspective, an additional wages cost just like payroll tax. Had it gone the other way, people would be more sensitive to their earned money being locked away. )