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Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by kalleboo »

qbaqbaqba wrote: post #250
SonOfThePlower wrote: post #33

Best CoC I have ever seen! I do not think that it is joke. From sqlite's source code: The author disclaims copyright to this source code. In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing: May you do good and not evil. May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others. May you share freely, never taking more than you give.

Was it sqlite that had a special clause allowing redhat users to use it for evil purposes?

Douglas Crockford gave a license to IBM to use JSLint for evil https://www.cnet.com/news/dont-be-evil-google-spurns-no-evil...

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by fareesh »

raspie wrote: post #238
i_am_right wrote: post #231

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Leftist Atheist here... I have no problem with this Code of Conduct. This isn't like "In god we trust" on our currency or the 10 Commandments in our courthouses. I could contribute to this project with a clear conscience because a lot of what I believe is very much in line with Christ's (if he even actually existed) actual teachings. Take care of the poor. Don't judge people who have differing lifestyles than you do.…

Sure, I follow the categorical imperative myself. The author had a chance to make his CoC the golden rule. But instead he made a deeply religious statement. He has full right to do what he wants, but to also claim that this is somehow inclusive because you can close your eyes to things incompatible with you is nonsense, sorry. All religions teach largely the same good things, but you generally won't see their devotee…

Swallow how though? Feel dirty when submitting a patch? I really don't understand the west's fascination with these codes and statements. Why not just do your work and avoid drama?

By standing up for/against things like CoC as opposed to actual incidents, nothing is really achieved except - I believe the term is bike shedding?

Open source exists so that everyone can contribute their talents to something that benefits everybody. If Joseph Stalin or bin Laden wrote a great patch, I'd want it. We'd all be better for it. We can fight his ideas in a different arena. It doesn't have to be the SQLite mailing list. It is not a sensible place to have these other types of ideological battles.

Here in the third world life is hard. Business ethics are non existent, workplaces are dominated by obsession with job security. If you have to make a life for yourself, you have to do your work. I find perhaps the greatest "white privilege" as it seems to be called in the west, is having the luxury of debating CoCs instead of supporting yourself and your family.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by Svoka »

Besides enforcing religious beliefs with history of multiple genocides, this is bad CoC.

It is toothless. What are procedures when someone in community breaks rules? There is no board to decide, no email to report, no process to take place. Do I pray to the Lord?

This is pure trolling without merit.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by Sprign »

d0100 wrote: post #260
Sprign wrote: post #256

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This is a bit of a logical fallacy: the fact that you are not able (maybe even because of your own limited self) to do good in every possible context it doesn't mean that you shouldn't do good in the contexts whee you can!

It is, and that's what I tried to highlight with my comment. Apply your comment to the monks then.

I'm pretty sure that many monks individuals did the best they could with what they were given. That is very different from it being true for the whole order of the Benedictine.

At the same time I do believe that the spirit of Christianity, Islam and most other religions is inherently good, positive and inclusive and there are definitely people that use that as a guide to improve themselves and their lives.

BUT, even if the spirit is good, the actual history says that these organisation shouldn't be held on a moral high ground for anything because they don't deserve it.

Moreover, even today, chances are that if you are a non-conforming individual in a very religious community you are subject to isolation, bullying and shaming.

And that's why I find it of very bad taste to use this as a CoC that should guide integration: if I have been bullied from my ultra-religious community, for example because I am bisexual, then I'll not find that a very welcoming sign.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by baud147258 »

diddid wrote: post #72
stephenr wrote: post #71

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love !== respect.

love == respect

I love my brother, but I don't respect him (most of the time), since he's a bit of dork. I still love him, because of our relationship, the shared experiences and the knowledge he'd be here when I need him.

I respect my boss, because she's my senior, she is a good leader and a competent dev in her own right. But I don't love her.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by baud147258 »

kqn35z wrote: post #91
Sprign wrote: post #73

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I don't think that the problem is adopting in bad or good faith; personally I am saddened because the CoCs are meant to be there to protect people that are usually in a weaker position and in our development communities that usually identifies with a few categories: women, LGBT+, disabled people etc. Now if you look at it from this point of view I think that you can at least see the irony of using a religious text in…

> Those "thousands of diverse communities" include the ones who were using their religion as a pretext to burn heretics/witches, torture homosexuals and in general oppress the weak and the diverse as well as the ones that today are still trying to infuse young people with their toxic shame when they are non-conforming. Wow, those Benedictine monks have really been up to some heavy shit.

Traditionaly, burning heretics was a State matter, guilt was decided by a special group, the Inquisition. Heretics were burned (or had other punishment against them, like fines, emprisonment, prayers or house arrests) because it was a state matter, following the principle of Religion of the King = Religion of the People.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by baud147258 »

apexalpha wrote: post #7

> Speak no useless words or words that move to laughter. Aww here goes my entire social coping strategy. That being said: this is a stab at Linux CoC? I can see the humour in it but... Seems unprofessonal for a project as SQLite?

It's older than the Linux Code of Conduct, since it was introduced in February of this year.
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