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Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by TomMarius »

saas_co_de wrote: post #187
gambiting wrote: post #170

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Same here. 13 inch XPS, coil whine is insane. Had the motherboard replaced 3 times, no improvement. It was a replacement for my ageing Air 13", and I honestly wish I didn't swap. At first glance it's just as nice, the build quality and form factor are identical - and then you start using it, and see that Dell charges just as much if not more than Apple, but quality of several different elements is ages behind apple.

I was thinking about getting an XPS 15 soon so this gives me pause. > Dell charges just as much if not more than Apple Not even close. XPS 15 with 6 core, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD is $1500. MBP is $2400 for the same specs. What I really like on the XPS 15 is the 97 WHR battery. I haven't seen any other notebook with this capacity.

You can buy older (but unused) Macbook Pro with these specs (except it's 4 core instead of 6) for $1000 and it has way more battery life, nicer screen and better touchpad.

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Post by dancryer »

wlll wrote: post #53
kalleboo wrote: post #33

It's summer now and as soon as I plug my MacBook Pro 2017 in to charge, it starts throttling itself due to the heat of the charging battery. Same thing happened to the 2012 I had before. These things just don't have adequate cooling.

In the summer I have to unplug one of my external monitors because my (maxed out) 2014 Macbook Pro gets too hot. I'm going to try using my linux desktop when it happens next, that at least has adequate cooling.

I've had to do the same this summer in the UK. It's the first time we've had weather hot enough to trigger a problem, but it has been CRAWLING. :(

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by gambiting »

garmaine wrote: post #254
gambiting wrote: post #190

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Yes, I mean obviously right now the brand new MBP is absurdly expensive. But when I got the XPS 13 it was actually more expensive than an equivalent MacBook Air(with the caveat that the XPS had a higher resolution screen).

MacBook Air is not comparable to an XPS...

The one I have(9333) is literally identical in form factor and inside construction to the Air - if you open the bottom cover, the layout of everything is exactly the same, it's as if Dell copied the whole design as-is. Nowadays the XPS 13 has exceeded everything the Air can offer, but just couple years ago that was not the case.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by parasubvert »

some_account wrote: post #259
arthurfm wrote: post #169

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Quinn Nelson (a.k.a. Snazzy Labs) recently did a couple of videos where he replaced the stock thermal paste on a 2017 MacBook Pro with a liquid metal thermal paste [1] and then 3 months later with a standard thermal paste [2]. With the liquid metal paste the CPU temps dropped 10°C, ran 200MHz faster and the MacBook Pro didn't thermal throttle. The standard thermal paste also saw a 7-10% improvement in thermals compar…

Apple can't make good keyboards anymore, are they even failing with their thermal paste now? I really don't feel these machines are professional level.

The first edition MacBook Pro had widespread issues with thermal paste back in 2006 that led to random shutdowns and led to a recall to re-apply new paste (I had one and had to get the paste re-applied).

Future generations of MBPs didn’t have the same problems.

The point is: shit happens with any product, the question is will you be supported well? Apple’s history here has generally been good but occasionally they’ve made major blunders (eg. the iBook motherboards about 17-18 years ago).

Their size leads to amplification of issues beyond reasonable response. The keyboard issues for example are way overblown. We have thousands of MBPs and hundreds of Touchbar MBPs at our company and there hasn’t been a widespread keyboard failures.

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

andromeduck wrote: post #220
rehemiau wrote: post #197

Louis Rossmann made a video[1] a while ago presenting how badly optimized is the cooling on new MacBooks. In short: Apple prefers their MacBook CPU and GPU to run hot and thermally throttle so that the user is happy because the machine is quiet, and then, more importantly, Apple is also happy, because when it overheats often it has a shorter lifespan so you’ll have to buy a new MacBook after 2-3 years. https://www.yo…

Running your CPU hotter doesn't significantly affect the lifespan of your device especially for longer sustained periods unless there's some glaring design defect as happened to Nvidia. So that's actually pretty well optimized.

> Running your CPU hotter doesn't significantly affect the lifespan of your device

Maybe, but I've seen reliability formulas with fifth powers of temperature, namely for equivalent ageing of devices.

And 14nm fabrication processes don't exactly improve my expectations of durability ...

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Post by improbable22 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #120
wukerplank wrote: post #108

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In all fairness: If you sell a >3000€ laptop, people should expect to get the full value out of it. Maybe it's hard to cool CPUs in thin laptops. But then don't let people pay for expensive upgrades that have no performance benefit.

It depends on workload. If I'm typing code for a minute and then spending few seconds compiling and launching it, it won't trigger throttling, but reducing each compilation from 3 seconds to 2 seconds is certainly a benefit.

Exactly. It seems that fast chips in slim laptops are like fast chips in phones. They may be worth having for performance on 2-second tasks, and might keep up with a desktop there.

If what you care about is performance on 2-hour tasks, there's just no chance, that's a completely different thing.

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Post by coldtea »

kalleboo wrote: post #232
coldtea wrote: post #208

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> In all fairness: If you sell a >3000€ laptop, people should expect to get the full value out of it. The full value out of it includes: 1) It not being short-lived by rampant overheating (even if it's within cpu tolerances) 2) It being quiet as you expect a MBP to be It's not supposed to render 6K 3D all day at full speed in the tropics...

> It's not supposed to render 6K 3D all day at full speed in the tropics Hyperbole aside, their advertising shows it hooked up to a 5K external display running the Unity debugger. So it should at least be able to render 5K 3D for a typical work day.

And it doesn't? Before that was not part of the test in TFA -- which was quite simplistic.

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Post by Kurtz79 »

skgoa wrote: post #251
Kurtz79 wrote: post #242

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I have had thermal issues both in my old Lenovo T61P and a more recent Macbook Pro 15, both with dedicated graphic cards. No replacing of soldering paste on my part was ever able to improve the situation, with the result of having powerful machines only on paper, that were brought to their knees even by light workloads. My Mac becomes impossibly hot and slows down playing games like Hearthstone and Civ5, FFS. I have…

> I have long decided that my next laptop (regardless of the brand) will have integrated graphics and a medium TDP CPU, and I will just limit heavy workloads and gaming to my desktop. You get more bang for your bucks this way, too. Desktop hardware costs a fraction of a comparable laptop.

Of course. A laptop, no matter how powerful and well designed, is always going to be a compromise compared to a desktop, in terms of raw power and relative cost.

The tradeoff is convenience, where you would have single machine that is able to fill all your needs (power and mobility), instead of two.

But, for me at least, in the end it's not worth it. Also, cloud and sync services made working in parallel on multiple machines almost painless.

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Post by oxide »

parasubvert wrote: post #264
some_account wrote: post #259

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Apple can't make good keyboards anymore, are they even failing with their thermal paste now? I really don't feel these machines are professional level.

The first edition MacBook Pro had widespread issues with thermal paste back in 2006 that led to random shutdowns and led to a recall to re-apply new paste (I had one and had to get the paste re-applied). Future generations of MBPs didn’t have the same problems. The point is: shit happens with any product, the question is will you be supported well? Apple’s history here has generally been good but occasionally they’ve…

>Their size leads to amplification of issues beyond reasonable response.

This is a ridiculous sentiment IMO.

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