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New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring

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Re: New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring

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Post by mcguire »

scroogly wrote: post #240
fredley wrote: post #227

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I missed that completely. Well that's just bizarre...

There is massive cognitive dissonance in trying to explain a lot of current events because they are so beyond what you expect to make sense. Yesterday I was trying to explain to a friend about the children separated at the border and how the parents are then being deported alone and have to apply afterwards to try and find their children, and it took about seven attempts. She didn't understand what I was saying at fi…

As an aside, from the Houston Chronicle: https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Explainer-I...

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Post by dalbasal »

imgabe wrote: post #215
dalbasal wrote: post #213

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I meant "this one" in abstract, not the one in the article. Ie you can easily link an item in a shop to a clause in your policy and an amount that has been paid. There is no way to understand that implications so simply with (eg) quotas.

Sure, if you want to make an abstract, general statement about how tariffs, as a concept have certain advantages, ok. I don't see how that's relevant to the specific disadvantages the article is pointing out about this tariff in particular .

It's not. It's a point about tariffs in general.

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Post by mcguire »

digitalzombie wrote: post #22
dalbasal wrote: post #19

Out of all possible trade barriers, I think tariffs are generally the better option. The alternative is subsidies, quotas or "unofficial" barriers like product safety rules or other burry-you-in-bureaucracy setups. Tariffs bring in taxes (as opposed to costing the public) They're easier to understand. This one makes Chinese microwaves x% more expensive. It's clearer who is paying for it (consumers) and who benefits,…

I disagree. Wavepool, Maytag, etc.. Americans washer and dryer cloth machines pushed for Tariff from the Obama administration to fight against Samsung and other. The tariff target machine coming out from specific countries so Samsung and other moved to other South Eastern companies such as Vietnam. So the American companies pushed for tariff for all incoming washing machine that aren't American. Trump administration…

Basing your current economic decisions on Adam Smith is akin to saying, "Why do we need traffic laws? No one wants to hit anyone else."

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Post by dang »

selectodude wrote: post #199
raesene9 wrote: post #189

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You got a Citation for Canada and the EU allowing Chinese steel shell companies (the recent tariffs against canada and the EU targeted steel)? I'd not heard that argument at all so far.

A name with a bunch of numbers behind it spouting off unsourced nonsense is trademark Russian bots on Twitter, so I'd just leave it alone.

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Post by anon23423532 »

selectodude wrote: post #241
anon23423532 wrote: post #225

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muh russia, don't consider anything the media doesn't tell you! See reply above

You posted three articles, two of which don't have China in them even once (I crtl+F'd China, nothing), and the third which is titled "China may use Canada as 'Trojan horse' into US market", an op-ed written by Danny Lam, who if you google may as well not exist. I cannot find him anywhere. muh russia! You should be proud to be paid for this idiocy, because otherwise you'd be that gullible and that would be tragic.

I cited a direct NAFTA bylaw, that a product can be considered Mexican or Canadian if 50-60% of it is sourced from those countries, hence China doesn't need to be mentioned directly in the article. Take a trip to Vancouver sometime and tell me there isn't a large Chinese presence.

The fact you assume anyone you don't agree with or who provides information contrary to mainstream opinion a bot is the sign of a stunted mind.

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Post by [deleted] »

selectodude wrote: post #204
echotango wrote: post #192

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A trade deficit means that, on net, your trade partners end up with your currency and no goods to buy with it. So they start buying up assets in your country. Factories, companies, land, housing, bonds, etc. so by maintaining a trade deficit for so long, we have legally sold a large fraction of the assets in our country to foreign investors. (Foreign direct investment) How do you think Trump made his billions? Having…

A trade deficit means that, on net, you've sent a bunch of pieces of paper to a country and they have given you actual stuff in return. So then they give that money back to you by investing in your country. >Having Saudi Oil Sheiks own all the Soccer teams in England is the result of the UK trade deficit. More English soccer teams are owned by Americans than all the russians oligarchs and arab sheiks combined.

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Post by dang »

anon23423532 wrote: post #266
selectodude wrote: post #241

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You posted three articles, two of which don't have China in them even once (I crtl+F'd China, nothing), and the third which is titled "China may use Canada as 'Trojan horse' into US market", an op-ed written by Danny Lam, who if you google may as well not exist. I cannot find him anywhere. muh russia! You should be proud to be paid for this idiocy, because otherwise you'd be that gullible and that would be tragic.

I cited a direct NAFTA bylaw, that a product can be considered Mexican or Canadian if 50-60% of it is sourced from those countries, hence China doesn't need to be mentioned directly in the article. Take a trip to Vancouver sometime and tell me there isn't a large Chinese presence. The fact you assume anyone you don't agree with or who provides information contrary to mainstream opinion a bot is the sign of a stunted…

This is not a substantive comment. The "large Chinese presence" in Vancouver is obviously not evidence of an obscure point about trade policy. It is, though, a step into dark insinuation. That's not ok here.

Worse, you went into personal attack. Since you've already been violating the site guidelines by using HN primarily for political battle (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), I've banned this account.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll use the site as intended in the future.

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Post by IanDrake »

tinus_hn wrote: post #254
IanDrake wrote: post #195

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I think you’re using the word respect wrong. Respect is not earned by being amiable. In the not too distant past we had a president draw lines in the sand and dared others to cross it. Then they crossed it and we did nothing. That did more to lose respect in the world than anything being done today. Today we are saying we want better trade deals for US goods and we’re not asking .

Earning respect starts by behaving respectably.

I don’t disagree. To be belligerent when there is no need isn’t helpful. Trump is certainly guilty of that.

But willingness to turn your rhetoric into action is more important so that others understand that you mean what you say.

For example, if you say nice things, but demonstrate that you don’t mean what you say, then what do all those nice things you said amount to? Nothing.

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Post by maxxxxx »

My personal belief is that this can go either way. If the tariffs go hand in hand with other policies they may bring business back to the US or it can go the other way. It requires a well thought out strategy. I have my doubts that the US has such a strategy but we'll have to see.
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