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E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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Re: E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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I’m sorry, but you shouldn’t be hating on judges when your understanding of law is so spotty. Windows is subject to copyright. There doesn’t need to be a license for you to agree to—that would be a contract. Copyright gives the creator the final say on creating copies of their work. Just because someone gives it away for free-as-in-beer does not grant you a license to create and sell copies. Try recording and selling…

You dismiss fair use but the use here sits well with the four factors IMO. They freely (libre and gratis) provide the files for download, the additional terms are laid out in contract. There's lots of precedent for assumed consent on web provided content. They weren't selling the content they were selling facilitation of access to it. The discs provide a convenient means for people who are already licensed users of t…

> They freely (libre and gratis) provide the files for download, the additional terms are laid out in contract. There's lots of precedent for assumed consent on web provided content.

They did not provide it “Libra”, and there is absolutely no precedent for assuming everything online is public domain. This is also a completely different argument than “fair use”.

> Saying this is copyright infringement is like charging a router manufacturer or ISP with infringement

That’s obviously different, or you would not make the analogy. ISPs transmit, they do not copy. There’s also an exemption in the DMCA for ISPs.

Why not actually look at the four factors of fair use:

    The purpose and character of your use
    the nature of the copyrighted work
    the amount and substantiality of the portion taken
    the effect of the use upon the potential market.
They did not transform the work in question, the work was one of the most extensive IP works ever, they copied it wholesale.

That’s three factors that couldn’t be more unfavorable to their actions. Since MS does offer replacement restore disks for 25$, there’s also clearly some impact on the market.

Stop arguing from the result you want backwards. Lobby for different copyright laws, but don’t go around insulting the last reputable institution in the country, i. e. the courts, with your willful and frankly far too obvious misinterpretations.

Re: E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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Does the license prevent people from downloading and distributing it explicitly? Curious what is going on there. I wonder if one could sell a USB configured to simply connect to the internet and download the software automatically.

If the licence doesn't explicitly permit downloading and redistributing copies, then that's illegal. The default position of copyright law is that it's forbidden with some exceptions (depending on jurisdiction) for personal use and such. I can download Ubuntu, burn it to CDs and sell or give them to others because GPL explicitly permits me to do this. However, downloading the comment you just made, filling a CD with…

Thank you.

I’ll release my previous comment to the public domain if you’d like to distribute it.

Re: E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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Gizmodo[1] added this -- "Unfortunately, in what seems to have been a huge mistake, the disks had “labels nearly identical to the discs provided by Dell for its computers and had the Windows and Dell logos,” the Times wrote. As a result, Lundgren pleaded guilty to two of 21 charges, conspiracy and copyright infringement. He told the paper, “If I had just written ‘Eric’s Restore Disc’ on there, it would have been fine…

Well, he was definitely guilty of trademark infringement.

Re: E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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From the article "“These sales of counterfeit operating systems,” Microsoft lawyer Bonnie MacNaughton wrote to the judge, “displaced Microsoft’s potential sales of genuine operating systems.” But Lundgren’s disks had no licenses and were intended for computers that already had licenses." and even worse, "Hurley decided Lundgren’s 28,000 restore disks had a value of $700,000, and that dollar amount qualified Lundgren…

How does Lundgren's restore disk work? Most restore disks I've used from OEMs have an OEM Key hardcoded on the disk so the user doesn't have to type in the license key on the side of their machine. These Restore Disks are permitted if the OEM is a Licensed Distributor, Lundgren was not a licensed distributor. The ISO files that Microsoft distributes require the user to input a key. His whole argument is questionable:…

Since around Vista, I thought that OEM keys were embedded in the BIOS, so they can use the same disk images.

Re: E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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I'm appealing to all talented college engineers and others to avoid applying to work Microsoft at all costs. They pursued this guy and are the reason this actually got so far. Your work would be literally furthering this sort of absurd outcome.

And I'm appealing to all talented college engineers and others to _work_ Microsoft at all costs - and change their culture to prevent this kind of situation from happening again.

Since when do engineers have a say in what legal does?

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I’ve noticed that a lot of programmers I’ve met on and offline seem to think that it is, and often those kind of shallow perspectives are the basis of thought in the world of cryptocurrency as well. Is it the result of how computers and programs work, inasmuch as they just do precisely what they’re told? I’ve had to explain to so many friends that unlike the world of computers, laws are interpreted, and adapt. You ca…

I am fully aware laws are currently interpreted, and adapt. What you see above is merely my interpretation. Actually "void for vagueness" can be interpreted as a requirement for laws to be precisely defined, and this was not concocted by a clever cryptocurrency nerd.

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Re: E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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Reading the court documents, the conclusion is that the guy is shady and the journalist and the newspaper are borderline lying. The correct headline is: "E-waste recycler loses appeal on 28,000 counterfeit windows installation disks, must serve prison term" >The sentencing judge determined that the appropriate infringement value was the value of the infringed discs to small registered refurbishers: $25. The court fou…

> there were 28,000 discs with Microsoft and Dell logos which can be used to to install functioning Microsoft software I thought those discs could only “install functioning Microsoft software” if provided with a valid license key, a key Lundgren didn’t provide nor purport to provide. The “$25 infringement amount” seems like a bad comparison since those disks include a license key. Lundgren’s did not.

Even without the key, the software is still copyrighted material.

Re: E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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I want to know what harm he has done or what danger he poses to society that warrants a 15 month prison sentence. I feel like this is what pardons are for.

Pardons?

Psh! No US President cares for an e-recycler doing good for the world. They care for investment bankers who line their pockets (see: Marc Rich).

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> It reminds me of Aaron Swartz Aaron Swartz wilfully broke the law. This man didn’t. Not a good comparison.

Everyone fights the GAMAF sponsored subversion of the ICT industry in their own way, depending on their personality. Although some people go around the law without breaking it, others wilfully break it (Snowden), others go around it but inadvertently break it (Lundgren), others wilfully break it but can't handle the subsequent miscarriage of justice (Swartz), yet others make money from doing things that shouldn't be…

GAMAF? What's that?

Re: E-waste recycler loses appeal on computer restore disks, must serve prison term

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Everyone fights the GAMAF sponsored subversion of the ICT industry in their own way, depending on their personality. Although some people go around the law without breaking it, others wilfully break it (Snowden), others go around it but inadvertently break it (Lundgren), others wilfully break it but can't handle the subsequent miscarriage of justice (Swartz), yet others make money from doing things that shouldn't be…

GAMAF? What's that?

Because I spelt it GAMAF instead of GAFAM, people like you wouldn't be enlightened by googling it. I would tend to add evil Oracle to that list of the filthy five, and call them GAMAFO.
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