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50M Facebook profiles harvested for Cambridge Analytica in major data breach

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Re: 50M Facebook profiles harvested for Cambridge Analytica in major data breach

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Post by stevenwoo »

mistermann wrote: post #194
stevenwoo wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How - the special counsel Mueller has subpoena authority. First link from indictments in list form. The one I saw on TV was that guy with Hillary in a cage in parades - he was paid by Russians to make it. I also remember reading about the pro and anti gun rallies at that Texas state park - the Russians made the Facebook page for both sides in that little incident. https://mashable.com/2018/02/16/indictment-russian-tr…

I've heard all sorts of the juicy details, it makes a great story there's no doubt. What I'm looking for is some substantial, verifiable evidence to overcome my suspicions at how perfect of a story it is, as well as some of the inconsistencies. For example: > Presumably Mueller used that subpoena on Facebook and internet providers and the Russians didn't try to hide very hard and used mostly Russian ip addresses . So…

The leader of Cambridge Analytica bragged about breaking US and UK law by reporters posing as prospective clients. I guess that could be faked ala deepfakes or whatever but it looks pretty definitive. https://www.channel4.com/news/cambridge-analytica-revealed-t...

Re: 50M Facebook profiles harvested for Cambridge Analytica in major data breach

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Post by dang »

thomzi12 wrote: post #238
gfodor wrote: post #176

I remember when the Obama campaign hired data scientists and used targeted social networking tools to pursuade voters who were on the fence and it was heralded as brilliant and the future of politics. I worked for a company crawling Facebook data by creating viral apps the year the original API came out. By now I am sure this is done by many companies. Why is any of this news? My understanding is that companies harve…

Did you not read the article? Millions of users took a personality test that had nothing to do with politics, and that data was sold to the Trump campaign for targeting. When did Obama’s campaign ever do that?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by bpd1069 »

_ptgt wrote: post #248
tanilama wrote: post #207

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It comes down to motivation. Obama is a career politician, but Bannon is an ideologist. The former seeks to get elected, the latter seeks to plant ideas and change the society in a fundamental way. To me, Bannon is much more dangerous than Obama, because he is subversive. Technically, there might be little difference, but Bannon clearly excels at using this tool to a greater effect, and the result is far more impactf…

I agree with your discomfort on Bannon's agenda, but aren't you conceptually backwards here? If Bannon is evil not because of his agenda but because he wants to bring societal change, isn't the same true for Abraham Lincoln?

Change via Destruction is much different than change via Cohesion.

And now we have the Chaotic President, thanks, Bannon.

Re: 50M Facebook profiles harvested for Cambridge Analytica in major data breach

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Post by scotu »

scotu wrote: post #172
OrganicMSG wrote: post #144

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Well, they may not officially permit it in public, however they clearly allow it, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

do you understand how this data ended up in CA's hands? Regular facebook app asked persmission to get data to it's users, one by one. It then retained the data and shared without facebook or their users permission (and against FB terms). Then facebook realized this data was shared, required CA to delete all of it. CA agreed. CA didn't delete. That's how we are here I'm no facebook fan by the way, but there's no reaso…

well, this seems to go deeper then I was anticipating. What I wrote above might not be accurate since the story is still evolving....

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Post by stefek99 »

gfodor wrote: post #176

I remember when the Obama campaign hired data scientists and used targeted social networking tools to pursuade voters who were on the fence and it was heralded as brilliant and the future of politics. I worked for a company crawling Facebook data by creating viral apps the year the original API came out. By now I am sure this is done by many companies. Why is any of this news? My understanding is that companies harve…

E X A C T L Y

See my post: https://www.facebook.com/mstefanow/posts/10156280067194886

Since when NO NEWS is NEWS?

"Why is any of this news? My understanding is that companies harvesting social networking data via viral apps and then reselling it to perform targeted voter advertising is literally a 10 year old concept."

Other team didn't realize such thing as the internet exists?

(I'm outraged that this thing hit the news, as if it wasn't something already known)

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Post by willstrafach »

mistermann wrote: post #251
willstrafach wrote: post #247

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> Russians didn't try to hide very hard and used mostly Russian ip addresses. This is incorrect. The indictment explains it. They routed their connections through US-based VPNs to appear as if they were American users.

As they should, but I read another Authoritative Proof that many people assured me I should take Very Seriously that used the posting of pro-Russian propaganda as the proof that Twitter bots that interfered with the election were Russian. I don't doubt at all that there is a government sponsored organization in Russia that promotes Russian interests via cyber operations, as I'm sure there is in the United States. I'm…

a) Feel free to read the indictment, some detail there. I assume there will be far more at a later point.

b) I have no idea what effect it had. I personally am not sure it did have any effect that made a difference. Coverage is still warranted because attacks from foreign nations are newsworthy regardless of success.

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Post by OrganicMSG »

scotu wrote: post #264
scotu wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you understand how this data ended up in CA's hands? Regular facebook app asked persmission to get data to it's users, one by one. It then retained the data and shared without facebook or their users permission (and against FB terms). Then facebook realized this data was shared, required CA to delete all of it. CA agreed. CA didn't delete. That's how we are here I'm no facebook fan by the way, but there's no reaso…

well, this seems to go deeper then I was anticipating. What I wrote above might not be accurate since the story is still evolving....

Fair play for saying.

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Post by femidav »

bpd1069 wrote: post #222
tanilama wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It comes down to motivation. Obama is a career politician, but Bannon is an ideologist. The former seeks to get elected, the latter seeks to plant ideas and change the society in a fundamental way. To me, Bannon is much more dangerous than Obama, because he is subversive. Technically, there might be little difference, but Bannon clearly excels at using this tool to a greater effect, and the result is far more impactf…

The biggest difference is Bannon wants to break society to that it can be remade as he wants. Classic villain methodology, where the ends justify the means. Creating and exploiting divisions in society, damaging democratic institutions, so that the Government collapses and Democracy along with it. To be replaced with 'his' vision for this country. That is evil and treasonous.

And Obama did broken the society. Probably it's broken so badly, that it cannot be mended anymore...

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Post by anonINFP »

mistermann wrote: post #251
willstrafach wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russians didn't try to hide very hard and used mostly Russian ip addresses. This is incorrect. The indictment explains it. They routed their connections through US-based VPNs to appear as if they were American users.

As they should, but I read another Authoritative Proof that many people assured me I should take Very Seriously that used the posting of pro-Russian propaganda as the proof that Twitter bots that interfered with the election were Russian. I don't doubt at all that there is a government sponsored organization in Russia that promotes Russian interests via cyber operations, as I'm sure there is in the United States. I'm…

How much reading are you willing to make time for? I've collected a very large number of links to source, research, & analysis material on Russia's ongoing active measures campaign over the last 14 months (though ironically, I still haven't gotten around to reading the recent indictment). This is a complex issue, and my perception is that a full proof of all the claims alleged about Russia's operation will require much more detail and logical inferences than most people who keep harping about "where's the proof? where's the smoking gun?" really expect. But if you want to keep the scope limited to just your a) and b), then I can probably dig up some compelling and hopefully verifiable public evidence in support of them (at least in support of your point a - for b, the only people who have metrics & data on how effective and impactful this operation has been on our country are probably the IRA, Russian intelligence services, and Cambridge Analytica. So point b is tougher for me, but I could at least point you to proof of the dark seriousness of their intent and goals). It might still be a lot of material to go over, though. Fair warning.
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