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Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by andygates »

wolco wrote: post #126
tomjen3 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only upvoted you because Aspartame is such an interesting case - no other food that I can think of has had such vitrol thrown at it, yet every single scientific study has shown no effect on blood sugar, the chemical is simple, the two compounds it breaks down to in the liver are already present in the body and its properties are well known. Yet people still hate it.

From my limited life experience: It tastes bad to the average male, it leaves a bad after taste that is really noticable. Females don't seem to notice the after taste.

Wait what? No. "Average" and "me and my buddies" aren't the same.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

ashark wrote: post #8
DoodleBuggy wrote: post #2

Makes you wonder what we'll find out is being withheld right now, 50 years from now.

I sometimes wonder which materials I directly interact with on a regular basis that people in a few decades wouldn't touch for anything short of large amounts of money. History tells us there are probably a few. Guessing at least a couple are plastics or plastic additives/coatings of some kind. Maybe whatever they replaced BPA with. Possibly gasoline will qualify. Probably one or two things currently on/in our food.

Gasoline is absolutely already on that list. It's a little bit crazy that we're allowed to interact so casually with such a potent solvent and known carcinogen (mostly due to the benzene content) on an everyday basis.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

copperx wrote: post #188
AskewEgret wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nanoparticles. They irritate your lungs in ways that are very similar to asbestos irritation. And of course, it's your body's reaction to the irritation that kills you. Example: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01873

So I'm assuming that includes zinc oxide sunscreen, which is touted as the "least harmful sunscreen" there is.

I sure hope not, as it's the only type of sunscreen that really works for me.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

lucaspiller wrote: post #215
DoodleBuggy wrote: post #2

Makes you wonder what we'll find out is being withheld right now, 50 years from now.

I wouldn't be surprised if evidence comes out that changes alcohol consumption drastically. Yes people have been drinking alcohol for centuries, but it was originally as a way to preserve calories, avoid drinking unsafe water, and as a crude medical treatment. Today the main reason people drink is to get merry and drunk, and forget about life's problems. The alcohol we drink is (usually) no longer natural, it's proce…

I've already changed my alcohol consumption. Firstly, I cut down on my overall consumption: most days I don't drink any alcohol at all, and at events I try to stick with 4-5 beers maximum. I sometimes stretch that a bit at festivals, but those only happen once every ~3 months or so and the intake is usually spread out over 8-10 hours.

Secondly, I very much prefer less processed types, such as wine, whisky and unfiltered beer. I stay far far away from alcopops and similar drinks.

It may be anecdotal evidenece, but I get far fewer hangovers now, even if I drink to the same amount as I used to.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by saladeen »

dublinclontarf wrote: post #229
devmunchies wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keto diet is terrible for you. You are losing weight because you are sick. It's the refined carbs and sugar that are not good, you just need to get them from whole sources with the fiber and all.

> Keto diet is terrible for you. Because?

In my online experience, 90% of people who straight up attack keto like this are vegans who want to keep propping up the dogma that 'animal products = bad for you'. They often also assume that keto = eating only meat.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

pessimizer wrote: post #93
DoodleBuggy wrote: post #2

Makes you wonder what we'll find out is being withheld right now, 50 years from now.

Non-stick coatings on cooking implements and flame retardants.

I've made a complete switch to stainless steel, cast iron (both enameled and bare) and carbon steel.

I particularly enjoy using my inexpensive carbon steel pan that I got from a local kitchen supply store, I find it even better than an actual cast iron pan. It's made from 3mm plate steel and it's smooth like old-fashioned cast iron pans, so after about a month of regular use, I would honestly call it nonstick. Certainly nonstick enough for eggs or fish.

As an added bonus, it will last basically forever as long as you don't warp it from thermal shock or let it sit while wet, so it rusts. You can take away most other items in my kitchen and I wouldn't be too upset, but don't ever touch my carbon steel pan and wood spatula!

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by saladeen »

thirdsun wrote: post #224
justboxing wrote: post #67

Required viewing if you are interested in the Politics of Sugar. => http://sugarcoateddoc.com Saw it on Netflix. Thought I saw it on youtube also for free, but can't seem to find the video.

Only available on Netflix US and Canada as well as a handful theater screenings. I've said it before but it almost seems as if those documentaries try to limit their audience. I can't count the number of times I stumbled upon interesting small, niche and independent documentaries only to find out that they are only screening in a few limited locations worldwide without any purchasing option in sight.

In that case, here's the hash of the torrent: 376C45CE22B1DDE014F8AF2809BF4ECC798B4C19

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #106

I recently started the Whole 30 diet (paleo), and it's nearly impossible to avoid sugar, corn starch, and dextrose. Almost all fooeds seem to have one of those. Often for no reason: why put sugar in beans and bacon, or corn starch in turkey? The amount of money I'm spending on food jumped by 3x. It seems accurate to say that if you're poor, you're almost forced to eat sugar for economic reasons.

While I think paleo diets are going too far in the wrong direction in the search for a dietary solution, I emphasize with your observed problems. It seems that sugar is simply added by default to far too many foods.

The biggest thing I would suggest is to avoid canned foods, especially beans. Buy dried beans instead. They don't take that much effort to cook, the only thing is that you need to remember to soak them overnight (and discard the soaking water) before cooking. As an added bonus, dried beans, lentils, chickpeas and so on are inexpensive and widely available.

You could also get a pressure cooker, which is just a good idea in general, and will allow you to cook beans directly in about an hour.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

dublinclontarf wrote: post #229
devmunchies wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keto diet is terrible for you. You are losing weight because you are sick. It's the refined carbs and sugar that are not good, you just need to get them from whole sources with the fiber and all.

> Keto diet is terrible for you. Because?

Because ketosis is forcing your body to create glucose from protein, which is a very energy-demanding process (that is good), but it's also extremely hard on your kidneys.

It is possibly fine to be in ketosis for a little while (and it can serve a medical purpose), but you should absolutely not keep it up long-term.

As with all crash diets where a lot of weight is lost rapidly, the weight is very likely to pile back on when the diet is over.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #232

I am not sure, how appropriate this is, but a related question/poll: there is the stereotype, that hackers/IT guys are in general fat/unhealthy. But in my experience, this is not at all true. It might just be my circles of people (mostly germans around 30), but most of the IT guys I know, take good care of their body, eat healthy and do all kinds of sports. Even though some are now starting to get lazy, the overall p…

I have made this observation as well (Denmark, age range around 30-55ish). In this IT department, I honestly cannot find any colleagues that are outright unhealthy. Most of them are actually very dedicated cyclists or runners, we've had a couple of weightlifters too.
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