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Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by gehsty »

dogma1138 wrote: post #82
gehsty wrote: post #81

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The least used interactions are the most important? Really? I would say the opposite, the interactions that the most users use the most often are the most important.

Edge cases are not the least used interactions, and even if they are it's not what makes them edge cases. Edge cases are defined as what happens at the edge of operating parameters the classic example of a speaker that is played at the bottom or top 10% of it's output, edge cases do not have an intrinsic definition of occurrence rarity. It might not relevant to you, but if you like blowing up your house with all that…

I still fail to see how it is not possible to unlock with your passcode for the two use cases you mention.

I think I understand the point you are getting at, design for tricky situations and the normal situations will be easier, but I think you are failing to see that you cannot design for every scenario, eventually you have to weigh up the feature sets of two technologies and pick the best one for most use cases and users, which Apple obviously thinks is FaceID.

I think FaceID will allow features simply not possible with TouchID, and expand across the Apple product line, and to other manufacturers, to the point where in 5-10yrs time we just expect screens to recognise us. This is an important step towards this.

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Post by yequalsx »

aetherson wrote: post #120
yequalsx wrote: post #65

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If it’s done right then I would expect Face ID to be as fast, fewer false positives, fewer fails. I don’t know if Apple has accomplished these goals but if they did then I'd consider their implementation innovative and would not assume it was done due merely to an inability to integrate Touch ID into the display.

It's impossible to be as fast as "already unlocked by the time you see the screen." It could perhaps be "only imperceptibly slower," but it can't be as fast. This review suggests that it's not "only imperceptibly slower," with its talk of the De Niro look.

For me Touch ID has been only slightly better than using a code for unlocking the phone. It can be as fast as Touch ID in the sense that by the time you can physically get the phone in position to do something it’s unlocked. You can’t unlock it when it’s in your pocket like you can with Touch ID but with Touch ID you still have to look at the phone to verify whether or not it has been unlocked. And most things you do with the phone require looking at it.

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Post by zimpenfish »

iainmerrick wrote: post #256
zimpenfish wrote: post #117

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> "Reliable and fast" is exactly why TouchID was so great when they introduced it. Although it wasn't particularly either when it was first introduced.

I think you misremember. Here’s Daring Fireball on the iPhone 5S ( https://daringfireball.net/2013/09/the_iphone_5s_and_5c ): “Once you’ve added a fingerprint, subsequent scans of that finger are nearly instantaneous. Touch ID is way faster than “fast enough”. I’d call it “I can’t believe it works this quickly” fast. It’s also very accurate — only a handful of times over the past week have I had to try a second time,…

> Let me know if you find a review that says otherwise.

Personal experience from having got a 5S at launch. And every iPhone with Touch ID since.

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Post by zimpenfish »

ProAm wrote: post #194
zimpenfish wrote: post #48

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> FaceID works at a distance Do you know what distance? I mean, literally no-one has an iPhone X right now to test this. > data could easily leak to any number of surveillance programs Never leaves the Secure Enclave on the phone - same as Touch ID.

> I mean, literally no-one has an iPhone X right now to test this. You're commenting on an article written by a guy with an iPhoneX

True but which mentions nothing about Face ID working at a distance or whether he even tested that.

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Post by Erwin »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #237
jpalomaki wrote: post #192

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There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories (think tablets when iPad was introduced - I'd claim that was true revolution since it took significant time for the competitors to really catch up with Apple). On one hand this is pretty sad. There's no wow factor, no truly excit…

I don't think so. The iPhone was revolutionary because suddenly you had a lot of sensors and the power to use them in creative ways. There are still sensors that could be added to devices of this price range that, coupled with new apps, would make them cool again: infrared vision, range finder, molecular scanner, etc. Imagine pointing your camera to find an A/C leak inside the wall, or scanning fruit for their ripene…

The tomato thing has been done by SCIO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_5Al294Nak

which apparently is now available as an extra sensor small enough to build into ordinary phones, with just one obscure Chinese manufacturer showing a prototype (at $299 for the handheld, it's probably too expensive for now).

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Post by mercurysmessage »

zimpenfish wrote: post #90
mercurysmessage wrote: post #79

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And then what happens to the phones those people had? We don't do this with laptops, desktops, or monitors. What makes phones so special?

Actually, yeah, I do do that with laptops and desktops and monitors. My entire family uses laptops that I once owned. And I'm using a laptop (as a server) that my parents once owned. My old monitor is now my nephew's monitor. etc.etc.

I am saying, do you buy the new model of the same laptop or monitor every single year?

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Post by zimpenfish »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #266
zimpenfish wrote: post #90

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Actually, yeah, I do do that with laptops and desktops and monitors. My entire family uses laptops that I once owned. And I'm using a laptop (as a server) that my parents once owned. My old monitor is now my nephew's monitor. etc.etc.

I am saying, do you buy the new model of the same laptop or monitor every single year?

Oh, ah, I see your point now. Apologies.

Not every year, no. Laptops are about every other year. Monitors are infrequent, yes.

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Post by hungerstrike »

dmode wrote: post #188
hungerstrike wrote: post #124

Face ID is going to be a monumental failure for people who dock their phones on their desk or car. It's also going to annoy everybody who likes things to happen fast all the time because Face ID will definitely cause a delay and frustrate every user at some point. I have no doubt about this. The lack of a home button is probably the worst design decision. They should have gone with dedicated virtual home button or be…

Down votes are unfortunate. I think it is a legitimate concern at this point. I dock my phone in my car and it is far easier to unlock using fingerprint. But I am convinced that Apple is aware of this use case and iPhone X will not be any different.

We'll see. "I will admit I have not tried Face ID yet, but it's hard to imagine a facial recognition system that solves the problem of having to carefully aim a phone at your face." - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/face-id-on-the-iphon...

"[Face ID] worked the vast majority of times I tried it"... (NOTE: Not ALL the time) - and "...it’s definitely faster than the first generation of Touch ID, though perhaps slightly slower than the second gen." - https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/31/review-the-iphone-x-goes-t...

In any case - I don't lock my phone and swiping will definitely, definitely, definitely be way more annoying than being able to click a button.

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Post by wtetzner »

madeofpalk wrote: post #252
wtetzner wrote: post #184

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> Sure. TouchID can't be used if your fingers are wet or wrinkly. Sounds like a reason to improve the tech behind TouchID.

TouchID doesn’t work with gloves.

Is there some reason TouchID and FaceID can't both exist? They clearly cover a different set of situations, so wouldn't it be best to have both?

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Post by unabst »

caio1982 wrote: post #227
unabst wrote: post #226

> “Don’t worry about price, just specify the computer’s abilities,” he told the original team leader. At his first retreat with the Macintosh team, he began by writing a maxim on his whiteboard: “Don’t compromise.” That's Steve Jobs. The notch is a compromise. The spec Apple needed was "no notch". Forcing developers to embrace a premature design decision based on a feature that they couldn't make happen is hypocritic…

I hope you don’t mind a slightly off-topic comment here: we should really stop using the if-steve-jobs-were-alive card; we don’t do this with other iconic tech people who have died, do we?

Maybe we just miss him the most?
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