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Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by dx034 »

shimon_e wrote: post #192
always_good wrote: post #135

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CloudFlare is in an incredible position for advertising since they are a proxy. Imagine just dropping a tag like this onto your page: And CloudFlare scans your page to figure out the genre of ad to display, does the live auction, and replaces it with a real ad. Now imagine that for non-display ads like injected content. Meanwhile even Google has to crawl your Adsense pages to know what sort of content to serve. And t…

If I owned Cloudflare this is the direction I'd go. Ads without the MBs of bloat that existing ad networks add. As a cloudflare customer and an everyday internet I am thankful cloudflare hasn't gone in this direction.

On the other hand, ads that load as simple images would be a big step forward compared to the current situation where rendering ads can max out a CPU.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by badwulf »

lsmarigo wrote: post #134
OzzyB wrote: post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

I know you guys took major issue with the Cloudlfare takedown of DailyStormer but try to look at the big picture. Mankind has never had a tool as powerful as the internet. The advent of the printing press played a key role in the lead up to the Salem Witch Trials. How big a role the internet played in the mess we find ourselves in today as a country, that's up to future historians to argue, but make no mistake the im…

> Is loss of human life an acceptable cost for free speech?

People protesting oppressive regimes think it is.

> Tech companies didn't choose to be the society police, yet here we are.

Dictators didn't chose to force to be dictators, yet here we are.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by badwulf »

OzzyB wrote: post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

They already shown that they have no problems taking down content, that does not violate the law. I would not rely on a service that has it's own arbitrary rules, that can change without a moments notice.

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Post by nilved »

jerheinze wrote: post #112
nilved wrote: post #81

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So how is that a solution? The problem is that Cloudflare blocks Tor, not Tor Browser: not every Tor user uses Tor Browser.

> So how is that a solution? The problem is that Cloudflare blocks Tor, not Tor Browser: not every Tor user uses Tor Browser. Well then they did a favor to you and you should thank them, if you're using Tor without the Tor Browser chances are big that you're screwed by your fingerprint and lack of first party isolation and stream isolation, see the 2nd last paragraph here for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

The Tor bundle is necessarily less secure than something like Qubes. Tor and the browser should be separate. Advanced users are capable of evading fingerprinting in exactly the same way.

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Post by sbarre »

dbbk wrote: post #256
sbarre wrote: post #246

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(serious question) why would Patreon build out their own video hosting system? Unless I misunderstand their business model, that's not really part of their core business. I feel like video hosting/streaming is part of their Patron's businesses, not theirs. They just manage the subscriptions. If I was an investor in Patreon, I would not want them spending my money building out a proprietary video hosting platform.

I disagree. As has been mentioned, a common use case of Patreon is providing exclusive, private videos to patrons. Hosting it themselves of course allows access of the video to be aligned with payment. It probably also wouldn't be that expensive. Their videos would mostly be behind paywalls. It's not like YouTube or Reddit Videos where they could get a million views overnight. So the delivery cost would be naturally…

Right, but why wouldn't they just use Cloudflare or some other CDN partner?

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Post by dbbk »

sbarre wrote: post #265
dbbk wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. As has been mentioned, a common use case of Patreon is providing exclusive, private videos to patrons. Hosting it themselves of course allows access of the video to be aligned with payment. It probably also wouldn't be that expensive. Their videos would mostly be behind paywalls. It's not like YouTube or Reddit Videos where they could get a million views overnight. So the delivery cost would be naturally…

Right, but why wouldn't they just use Cloudflare or some other CDN partner?

I am talking about them 'hosting it themselves' via the use of CloudFlare.
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