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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by CaptSpify »

1_2__4 wrote: post #121

How the hell did we go from realizing massive enterprise software was a bad deal to suddenly embracing it all over again? Not that stuff like Oracle and Salesforce ever went away, but I seriously don't understand why small companies buy into the Faustian bargain of "yes please vendor, I'd love to be in a position where I'm tied to your company forever, that sounds great".

The older I get, the more I realize that things don't ever really change. We keep making the same mistakes over and over and over. You think that we, as a science and engineering focused field would be less prone to this but no, we're still short-sighted meat-bags like everyone else.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by nerpderp83 »

erikb wrote: post #48
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

Chat breaks the flow, flow is necessary for cohesive elegant solutions. If we develop under a state of distraction, we end up making bulldozer-code.

Furthermore, chat is not high quality communication. It is mostly junk comms. If we wanted to encourage communication that moved the organization forward, we would have a structured medium that would automatically populate a knowledgebase.

Chat is not that medium. Chat is shat.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by cortesoft »

m_fayer wrote: post #230
baddox wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm basically the opposite. I cannot stand email for day-to-day work discussion, because there is effectively no way to distinguish messages by priority or time-sensitivity. Email sits in the horrible middle road between synchronous (like a phone call) or asynchronous (like a physical mailed letter). I think email works well (and seems to be designed) for the latter use case, but at work there may be an expectation o…

Yeah I was another Slack-complainer until I joined an organisation without any sort of business-chat system. That's when my amnesia cleared up and I remembered just what a slog email is without a Slack-like. I remembered that email is used as chat when there's no proper chat system, that it's an unsearchable unstructured endless soup of important stuff, cat videos, unnecessary reply-all mashing, mysterious banishment…

Wait, why is email unsearchable?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by sidlls »

erikb wrote: post #259
sidlls wrote: post #202

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I make sure that the people manager of the junior engineers I mentor know that my view of the productivity they are evaluated on is that it's related to the quality of their engineering, not output quantity, or even output per se. A significant part of engineering is bringing clarity to a problem, usually by engaging in a proper process of requirements analysis and design. Time spent slapping code into an editor ough…

And that's what people think (me too, no exception here) two years after they come out of university.

What do you mean by "that?"

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by bluelu »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

There is also google hangouts chat

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pavel_lishin »

kuschku wrote: post #250
pavel_lishin wrote: post #241

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> All this is coming. And when it gets here, then IRCCloud and Quassel would be a good answer to my original comment. But now, those clients don't provide those features, while Slack does .

I’m writing on these things right now. They’re going to be in Quassel at least before the end of the year, on desktop and mobile. In developer builds they’ll already be in in a few weeks or a month. And almost all functionality already is there anyway, as said.

> And when it gets here, then IRCCloud and Quassel would be a good answer to my original comment. But now, those clients don't provide those features, while Slack does.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by nerpderp83 »

erikb wrote: post #253
Retric wrote: post #101

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That's still small picture thinking. Dropping efficiency by 50% is the equivalent of spending 4+ hours in a meeting every day. If your team needs that kind of overhead then something massive is broken and a chat room is not going to fix it. As a general rule, on large teams informal communication is vastly less efficient than formal communication. A major goal should be avoiding having the same conversation repeatedl…

You need to consider that a coder most oftne self evaluates performance as time spent writing code. If he spends 50% of his time planing, learning, comunicating, and 50% coding he will consider it a 50% performance drop.

My productivity is measured on

1) me understanding the domain

2) finding a well factored solution to the problems in that domain

These things are incredibly hard. Using chat is like skipping a meal or a nap. Communication isn't valuable in and of itself.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by nerpderp83 »

gxs wrote: post #188
erikb wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

As a product manager for one of the big tech companies in the bay area, I agree. Most problems that we solve on a daily basis aren't cutting edge, they are complicated business logic or customer facing UI that needs to be tested more than anything else. Communicating requirements and vision at this point become more important than having your "rockstar" engineers outshine everyone else. That said, one thing I've lear…

These are all people tooling problems.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by tomphoolery »

foobarian wrote: post #147
shadowmint wrote: post #83

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This is well said... although I think its unlikely to be a popular opinion with people at a personal level, but I hope the people who find themselves disagreeing take a moment to reflect on it. While I think it's fair to say these sorts of applications do disrupt people and reduce their productivity, I'm certain that they help focus team efforts in a way that meetings just don't. You can't split off 3 members of the…

I don't think funny pictures are a stupid purpose. They cheer me up and expose a different side of my coworkers, increasing morale and team cohesion. Of course they happen to be the right kind of funny pictures/links. :)

the question is more "do we need a bot for this" and not whether the actual action is productive
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