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Re: Android Oreo

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Does Google pay these candy companies to use the name or do they pay Google? There's obviously some contractual relationship but I can't figure out who's on which end of it.

There is absolutely no way that money went from Google to Nabisco on this one. The Nabisco marketing department would be crying tears of joy at landing this coup.

Re: Android Oreo

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Google has rebranded viruses as "PHAs" or "potentially-harmful applications". They don't want anyone to know that Android devices get viruses. ;)

That's because there aren't any. There's a reason they're called viruses on PC's. Perhaps you should look up what it means.

That's uncivil, and so was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15067992. Incivility will get your account banned on HN, so would you please (re)-read the following and not post like this again?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Android Oreo

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It seems like unnecessary legal risk for Google, and probably restricts how they can market it.

There's no risk. They talked to Nabisco, said, "Hey we wanna call the next OS 'Oreo', coo?" And Nabisco said, "Ok." Maybe money was paid one way or the other. Or not. What restrictions are you imagining?

Even with negotiations, If a engineer said in a Google youtube talk "Oreo is Americas favorite android," they could set themselves up for trademark infringement.

If Google had a line in a blog post that said, "It's better than real Oreos", they could likely be sued.

Oreo would not like Google saying either of these things. So Oreo needed to make up legal documents to map out all the things Google is allowed to say about Oreo Android. It seems like an unnecessary legal headache - one for dubious marketing gain.

Re: Android Oreo

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post #188

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I would really like to see Google take Oreo as an opportunity to set an example and push the pixel 2 with something like 10 years of support. I am not holding my breath though

That's a pretty unreasonable desire. Technology changes so much in 10 years that it wouldn't be feasible to support a generation of phones for that long. 10 years ago was the original iPhone. How much of a money sink would it have been for Apple to support the original iPhone until now?

That's not really comparable.. the ecosystem is mature now.

But sure I am going far with 10 years.. and phones would need serviceable batteries to last that long.

Re: Android Oreo

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post #93

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Supposedly the carriers are real pains as well. I've heard horror stories of months-long approvals processes on Verizon and AT&T ROMs. It's a game I wish they'd get out of entirely. There's no such thing as a useful carrier overlay.

Probably because they have to test the ROMs on their network in different regions, with different frequency bands, with roaming, etc. That work is tedious given all of the phones they support.

Good thing they don't have to test these iPhones!

Re: Android Oreo

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post #60

Am I the only one who's really disappointed by the platform's shift in its stance on background execution? I was originally drawn to Android because it wasn't iOS. I wanted to develop on a platform where I could run a service in the background if the user wanted that. Apps that were bad stewards of battery life and phone resources were supposed to be scrutinized by users and removed if they were too poor. You can be…

Apps that were bad stewards of battery life and phone resources were supposed to be scrutinized by users If HN allowed emoji in comments, I'd have a U+1F923 here. Since I can't do that, you're adorable. The users, eh? The users are supposed to be burdened with checking the wake status and radio activation schedule of their apps? How was that supposed to work, exactly?

I'm not sure what your point is here and your tone indicates you're not really looking for honest discussion. But FYI Android reports energy usage statistics to the user on a per-app basis. What I don't like is Android the platform telling me the user how my phone is best used. It's pretty crippling. Let's say I'm deploying Android on hardware that is always plugged in--something kiosk-style. Why shouldn't I be able to have an app that keep a persistent connection open to a network service for say real-time communication? You can't do that now.

Re: Android Oreo

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Please use a PNG for the emojis image... it's so painful to see the JPEG halo/bleeding artifacts...

Re: Android Oreo

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post #36

I know this is a non-issue for many, but those emojis look really dated. Every update they get harder and harder to read in small form. One of the things I observe, mainly on Instagram Stories is only people with iOS post with emojis attached, I never see Android ones. Too bad there is no way to install custom emojis in any system (without rooting/registry tweaking), like we do with fonts.

The new emojois are in the top 50 of all time posts in /r/crappydesign https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/6elhjc/the_ne...

Re: Android Oreo

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Android has really been annoying me lately. Maybe I didn't care before but now that I can't root my phone I am forced to deal with it. Still can't disable or customize to stupid "share" menu that puts you one click away from accidentally sending something to a stranger you contacted once on sms or facebook messenger or email. Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration). There is zero reason why…

So you're upset about not having enough niche power-user knobs, so you're going to a device that has basically zero power-user knobs? How does that make any sense? Why not just flash an AOSP-based ROM that does what you want, which Google officially supports for their devices?

Exactly. I need to customize, so I'll go to Apple, the most user-infantilizing software company on the face of the planet, world-renowned for their repeated refusal to let users tweak the user experience of their $1000 phones on the grounds that some people in a board room in Cupertino know what's best for you better than you do.

Re: Android Oreo

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Android has really been annoying me lately. Maybe I didn't care before but now that I can't root my phone I am forced to deal with it. Still can't disable or customize to stupid "share" menu that puts you one click away from accidentally sending something to a stranger you contacted once on sms or facebook messenger or email. Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration). There is zero reason why…

> Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration).

You can revoke individual permissions from apps. Settings > Apps & notifications > App permissions on Oreo. I think this has been in since Marshmallow (6.0).

You can manage individual notification settings (including vibration) from Settings > Apps & notifications > Notifications.

I'm not sure about accelerometer/gyro settings for apps. I feel a bit different about this one. Why should I care if my browser uses the accelerometer/gyro?

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