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Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Why would you buy a phone without an earphone jack? Knock on wood that's something I'd never agree to do :-)

It was a mistake. I sometimes think about "upgrading" (downgrading) to a two year old iPhone 6s to get a headphone jack again but it is not available in 256gb.

I'd never get a phone that doesn't have a micro SD card reader.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Why would you buy a phone without an earphone jack? Knock on wood that's something I'd never agree to do :-)

It was a mistake. I sometimes think about "upgrading" (downgrading) to a two year old iPhone 6s to get a headphone jack again but it is not available in 256gb.

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Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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well people do complain, but i think the point is that windows has one UI framework (win32/user32) and (most) everyone uses that. It provides all of the primitives and norms that people expect

Do you actually use windows? That's not my experience at all. The difference between even just the stuff windows ships with is staggering. Just compare control panel to settings app, they look like they belong to different OS's, and you have to use both to access all configuration.

IME real users don't care about the app being aesthetically different, but they do care if the common idioms have changed(e.g. position of OK/Cancel). That shouldn't depend on your toolkit, though.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Preview.app fucking sucks. There are a handful of truly obnoxious sins that OS X commits, and not providing a graphics editing application with full access to the pixel raster is one of them. Other sins include no trivial click path to instantiating an empty file on the desktop. One must open an application and either issue a command ( touch or similar) or save an empty file with the application used (TextEdit.app fo…

What do you need empty files for?

At the CMD prompt, creating an empty file is as easy as:

COPY NUL A

        1 file(s) copied.
DIR A

07/25/2017 12:12 AM 0 a

               1 File(s)              0 bytes

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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They did the same thing with the calculator, turning what is probably the simplest app on the entire computer into a Metro-ified flat-design-meme store-dependent mess for absolutely no benefit.

I went to open my calculator this morning and it told me it was in the middle of an update and to try again later. 5 minutes, 10 minutes, and 15 minutes later it still wasn't done. I ended up using Google to calculate some basic math! How does Microsoft screw up such a simple application?

I've opened up the calculator a couple of times and gotten a prompt to rate/review it on the Windows Store... What is the purpose of doing that with built-in apps? It's just annoying.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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They had an issue with abusing monopoly power, once upon a time. It's only recently that people stopped coming at them with torches and pitchforks every time they added a feature found in third-party apps.

The cynic would say their Windows 10 behavior is a continuing abuse - including the unwarranted setting of Edge and other Microsoft apps as defaults (overriding the user's settings) after an update, the forced upgrades, and so on. Except now they have a "but it's about keeping the users safe" pretext, so they don't catch as much hate for it.

> Except now they have a "but it's about keeping the users safe" pretext, so they don't catch as much hate for it.

They're not catching much flack for it, because they're no longer feared as they were in the late 1990s, due to the devaluation of the desktop PC. It's no longer regarded as the center of the tech universe, nor is it regarded as the future economic gateway through which everything will flow (as was commonly believed 20 years ago). Back then, Microsoft stood practically alone as the gorilla of the technology industry, today that's not even remotely the case.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Power users not being impeded is precisely my point, and you've made it for me. That these features are considered "advanced" and thus buried is my argument. These kinds of features are not surfaced readily (existing many interactions deep, and not single gesture or action operations) or they are completely absent from the bundled operating system distribution, despite comprising essential utilities.

> That these features are considered "advanced" and thus buried is my argument. You're making the assumption that people, general users, even care about these features. What evidence do you have that this is the case? Everything I've seen indicates most people have other things that are much more important to them than open text-based file formats or hierarchical directory structures for locally storing files.

Okay a very simple way to add context to my claims, to prove that these are intrisic features of any operating environment that must function without network access, as a standalone system, is to look at how internet-based entities replicate similar bahaviors to enable web based collaboration.

Proving my point is the existence of URL shorteners (as analagous to file names and paths on a local machine) and plain text snippet sharing sites such as pastebin (as analogous to users passing plain text snippets on a shared standalone system).

So too with pixel editing. This is a fundamental aspect of an operating environment, and one that Preview.app performs inadequately at, and the likes of which OS X does not otherwise support natively.

Does my flimsy opinion hold water yet?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, snipping tool solves the grab and crop, but for most anything else you need to do in a hurry, you need a quick paint program. It's like removing Notepad: we all know hundreds of editors we would replace it with, from Notepad++ to vim/emacs... but isn't nice that…

Absolutely. Paint is by a long shot, Microsoft's best product. It's easy to build since it's codebase is pretty small and they haven't changed it much since it was introduced. So it's rock solid. IDK why they're fixing what ain't broke.

They clearly nailed it, this video from the dev team shows how the understood their users and stuck to the requirements instead of the typical MS feature creep product

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxx2KcPWWZg

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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I'm curious about this - why do you no longer listen to music or podcasts? The phone comes with headphones that plug directly into the lightning port, and an 1/8" adapter so you can still use your old headphones. Personally I just keep the adapter permanently attached to my 1/8" headphones. Only downside for me is the inability to charge at the same time, but then the iPhone 7's battery life is pretty great, so that'…

Probably because this person like many has multiple headphones. I have nicer "cans" I use at work. I have the crappy included ones that I use in the gym or when commuting. Noise cancelling buds for travel. And that's not even counting the times I might want to use the aux cord in my car. Having to carry around an adapter is dumb. I have a 6s and will not be upgrading to any phone without a headphone jack

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