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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by bildung » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 8:57 AM UTC

soldierofhayley wrote: post #29

splintercell wrote: post #12

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You're right but your overall argument is wrong for different reasons. Earning a lot of money is a good proxy for contributing to society, except not everyone makes good money all the time. I'm an immigrant and if you were to judge me based on my first few years in America, then clearly you shouldn't let me in to America. Now, at a later stage in my life, I would qualify for "startup visa" but if I wasn't already liv…

I actually completely agree, which is why I am a big fan of IQ testing for immigrants.

I guess people object to your post for moral reasons, but your position is also factually indefensible.

* First, intelligence is mostly cultural, not genetic. I know that's not a popular view in the US, but it's true nonetheless. There are multiple adoption studies that show how intelligence of kids rise as much as 20 points on the IQ scale, once they have a nurturing social environment. It's also pretty obvious once you think about the fact that european immigrants in the US were almost all analphabetic subsitance farmers, yet nowadays descendents of those people design neural nets and self driving cars.

* Intelligence (the difference between g and IQ is irrelevant, as both are pretty much defined by the same thing: an intelligence test) is not a good predictor for future work performance. Other personality traits like conscientiousness and neuroticism are, in combination, more important.

* Despite decades of research, there still are no language independent intelligence tests of comparable reliability to the language-dependent variants, so the actual measuring is not possible.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by sumedh » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 9:03 AM UTC

ktta wrote: post #260

sumedh wrote: post #256

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Its not a perspective, if you say illegal immigration is good then why bother making labels like legal and illegal.

do you understand what you are even saying? There's so many things in play I don't even know if you're serious.

You either support illegal immigration or you don't. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by ktta » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 9:09 AM UTC

sumedh wrote: post #262

ktta wrote: post #260

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do you understand what you are even saying? There's so many things in play I don't even know if you're serious.

You either support illegal immigration or you don't. Why is that so difficult to understand?

What's difficult to understand is what you are trying to say. I never said if I was for or against illegal immigration. I replied to the parent comment claiming illegal immigration through southern border is purposeful. You are trying to make it out to be about stances.

Good and Bad are definitely subjective. Illegal immigration is good for the illegal immigrant because they have better quality of life. Millions of Americans who voted for Trump seem to think it is bad. So it is definitely about perspective, and the reason we bother to make labels is because we live in a civil society where we follow rules, no matter if some people don't feel it is necessary.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by sumedh » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 9:25 AM UTC

ktta wrote: post #263

sumedh wrote: post #262

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You either support illegal immigration or you don't. Why is that so difficult to understand?

What's difficult to understand is what you are trying to say. I never said if I was for or against illegal immigration. I replied to the parent comment claiming illegal immigration through southern border is purposeful. You are trying to make it out to be about stances. Good and Bad are definitely subjective. Illegal immigration is good for the illegal immigrant because they have better quality of life. Millions of A…

> Illegal immigration is good for the illegal immigrant

What kind of mental gymnastics are you doing. I am asking you, do you support illegal immigration, it's a yes or no question.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by ericd » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 9:26 AM UTC

teacup50 wrote: post #166

drspacemonkey wrote: post #76

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Real estate on the Washington side of the border is insanely cheaper. As soon as you cross the border, prices skyrocket and just keep going up until you hit downtown Vancouver. Seriously, our affordability problem is pretty much at crisis levels. People who argue that we should increase density aren't wrong, but we're already building towers as fast as we can. And the majority of those suffer from substandard, shoddy…

Indeed; look how well that's worked for Manhattan. /s Realistically, density doesn't seem to ever drive down housing prices in the long term. All it does is increase the value of land tremendously, and thus push local home ownership out of reach of everyone but the ultra-wealthy.

I think that cause and effect might be backwards - people only ever lay out the large upfront expense to build density when the land becomes valuable enough. And that only happens when people are clamoring to live in the same area.

If you then refuse to build up, it makes the affordability much, much worse.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by michaelscott » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 9:35 AM UTC

johnnydoebk wrote: post #257

Sorry for a stupid question but I have to ask. Why everyone is so desperate to start a company and locate it physically in the US? Is it just because of VC money? Wouldn't any safe place with good laws and easy immigration policy do? I don't take seriously Blockchain projects (and consider most of them blatant scam) and they are relatively small now. But longterm can this model solve the part about VC money?

I'd wager it's the pre-existing culture of Silicon Valley that attracts startups. Kind of like a tech Mecca, it's got a magnetic pull based on "if you want to succeed you need to be based here". With VCs etc operating out of there it does actually become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As to the blockchain and ICO model, the problem is the current lack of regulation, leaving the burden of research to the buyer. I expect this will change relatively soon (places like New York, India and Singapore are already trying to introduce legislation regarding this) and then we might see more of an uptick, but you still need to get people out of the almost 40 year old mindset now that "Silicon Valley is where startups have to be to make it big".

Not an easy task I'd say.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by baby » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 10:14 AM UTC

justboxing wrote: post #21

marcell wrote: post #15

From the article: "To qualify for the rule, entrepreneurs would have to meet high standards. A foreigner must demonstrate that he or she will contribute to economic growth or job creation and show that a reputable investor has put at least $250,000 into the company. Under this rule, they can stay in the U.S. for 30 months, with the possibility of a 30-month extension. They cannot apply for a green card during this pe…

> They cannot apply for a green card during this period This will be a deal-breaker for over 95% of the applicants. Even though the H1B Visa is a non-immigrant visa, there was no such clause attached to it like this one. It's what enables 1000s of immigrants (like me) every year to first arrive on a non-immigrant visa and then get the employer to petition their green cards for permanent stay or eventually citizenship…

> This will be a deal-breaker for over 95% of the applicants. Even though the H1B Visa is a non-immigrant visa, there was no such clause attached to it like this one.

Except you have 20% chance of getting the H1B when applying.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by omginternets » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 10:32 AM UTC

Indolat wrote: post #99

Unfortunately, the immigration policies of most countries in the world are one huge stupid joke. Why so much obsession about the country where people were born into? It wasn't their choice at all. It just doesn't matter. The only questions you should be asking are "are they decent people? Are they willing to integrate? Will they contribute to our economy? Will they make us problems?" And none of these questions you c…

>Why so much obsession about the country where people were born into? It wasn't their choice at all. It just doesn't matter.

Because nationality does matter. The oft-repeated meme that we're all the same doesn't hold to even superficial scrutiny.

Nationality is not arbitrary in the sense that it's a crystallization of centuries of cultural values. People's place of birth predicts their attitudes about a vast number of political and social subjects. This includes, for instance, how they feel about such subjects as:

- democracy

- freedom of religion

- minority & women's rights

- the belief (or not) that certain races are superior to others

- etc...

(Apologies for the multiple edits. It took me a few tries to express myself clearly.)

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Post by mschuster91 » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 10:34 AM UTC

zeusdx wrote: post #225

zabana wrote: post #181

I'm surprised no other country has decided to go ahead and create an equally as open and safe environment for entrepreneurs to start companies. My understanding (which, I'll admit, is only based on my own observations) is that the vast majority of people outside the western sphere still regard the US through what's projected in hollywood movies and aren't really in touch with the reality of what life is in modern ame…

Incorrect. UK has Tier 1 - Entrepreneur Visa where you can remain and run a company for 5 years. After 5 years, you can apply for extension for another 5 years or apply for settlement.

Yeah but the UK is not exactly an investment/entrepneur-friendly economy any more. Brexit, at the rate it's going, will be either a hard Brexit or a chaotic one, and without a soft Brexit (i.e. access to the European market) all a potential investor has is the British market.

Also, UK does not have a constitution and civil rights (e.g. right to privacy, to unrestricted, unfiltered Internet access) are being torn down further each day... so if I were an investor, no way I'd set foot in this country, much less invest in it.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by maze-le » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 10:54 AM UTC

I think this might actually be a chance for the european tech industry. More people will stay here (in europe) + come here to pursue a career in the tech industry. What is needed additionally is a network of investors and vc-people to realize great ideas.