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Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

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Here's the official blog post explaining the feature in depth: https://webkit.org/blog/7675/intelligent-tracking-prevention...

If I understand this correctly, the obvious counter-measure is for all links on example-recipes.com to go through example-tracker.com, which then immediately redirects to the original website with the linked-to content. Sort of like the weird link URLs in Google's SERPs.

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

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Sounds like this is more in line with what they did with ApplePay vs traditional credit cards--I.e. They give you randomized IDs each time so the other party can't track you from transaction to transaction. Adds can still appear but they won't know who you are, so it's a direct shot at Google and others looking to give people "targeted" adds based on user behavior. I agree it's an issue that needs addressed. Just bec…

Apple Pay does offer enhanced privacy by not transmitting your name along with your card number, but it doesn't randomize the number with every transaction. In fact you may not want that as it would disrupt email receipt systems and loyalty programs (absent some parallel mechanism). Apple Pay does something called tokenization, and the goal is more fraud protection than privacy. It generates one new number at card en…

Sounds to me like they basically transferred chip-and-pin online.

Maybe it is magical in the American sense, but i can't say i get the big whoop from the European side of the Atlantic...

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

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Let me play back what I'm hearing: Chrome is great because it uniquely protects you from 3rd-party hackers on the internet. Fair enough. But do Chrome's protections also protect you equally from intercession by Google? I just want to clarify this point in my mind.

> But do Chrome's protections also protect you equally from intercession by Google? I just want to clarify this point in my mind. I'd say yes, unless Chrome has specific backdoors for Google. If that was ever discovered, I'd imagine a huge shitstorm happening.

Google doesn't need backdoors into Chrome, in the same way that it's technically not cheating if you adjust the rules to fit your demands better than others (see f.i. AMP).

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Thumbs up for Apple distinguishing themselves by their pro-privacy stance, as opposed to MS, who don't have anything to win by Win10's excessive "telemetry" IMHO.

It's also a real shame they're doing this before Mozilla. Mozilla already has Tracking Protection but only for Private Windows. It's like Mozilla can't even embrace its privacy stance fully.

In fact, Mozilla is working on that: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tracking-protectio...

> We believe these additions will help us take the next step toward shipping Tracking Protection in Firefox beyond Private Browsing Mode. Look for that study in late 2017.

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

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Thumbs up for Apple distinguishing themselves by their pro-privacy stance, as opposed to MS, who don't have anything to win by Win10's excessive "telemetry" IMHO.

I recently realised that any company taking on Google (e.g. Apple, Mozilla, ...) that is afraid they won't be able to take them on in areas like machine learning or sheer size, is realising, rightfully so, that being pro-privacy is the one thing they can compete on with Google that Google will never be able to imitate. Pretty sweet, actually.

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

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Sounds like this is more in line with what they did with ApplePay vs traditional credit cards--I.e. They give you randomized IDs each time so the other party can't track you from transaction to transaction. Adds can still appear but they won't know who you are, so it's a direct shot at Google and others looking to give people "targeted" adds based on user behavior. I agree it's an issue that needs addressed. Just bec…

That's actually not how ApplePay works. You get a new randomized credit card number, but only once. Shops can still track you by checking for the number. You can check that yourself by looking at receipts when you pay with ApplePay - each receipt features the same numbers (most receipt only show the last 4 digits, but they are always the same when you pay with ApplePay).

Nothing about the new PAN is randomized. It's valid PAN pointing to a dedicated, valid BIN range and has a valid Luhn checksum.

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This is actually really concerning to me. If they blocked Google Analytics, it would severely damage that data. It'd be bad news for site owners who just want to quantify their traffic.

The article says (my emphasis): > segregate the _cross-site_ scripting data So if you "just want to quantify your traffic", use self-hosted Piwik (i.e. not cross-site), as many of us do already.

What's the advantage of third-party analytics over self-hosted ones (e.g. GA over Piwik), except for "someone else hosts it for me for free"?

Honest question. I'm not logging anything about my websites' visitors on principle, so I don't have insight into that area.

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Apple Pay does offer enhanced privacy by not transmitting your name along with your card number, but it doesn't randomize the number with every transaction. In fact you may not want that as it would disrupt email receipt systems and loyalty programs (absent some parallel mechanism). Apple Pay does something called tokenization, and the goal is more fraud protection than privacy. It generates one new number at card en…

Sounds to me like they basically transferred chip-and-pin online. Maybe it is magical in the American sense, but i can't say i get the big whoop from the European side of the Atlantic...

Apple Pay is a generation ahead of chip and pin. It obviates the need to enter a PIN which is more convenient and invulnerable to attacks on PIN terminals, which have defeated chip and pin in the past.[1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMV

Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

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Sounds to me like they basically transferred chip-and-pin online. Maybe it is magical in the American sense, but i can't say i get the big whoop from the European side of the Atlantic...

Apple Pay is a generation ahead of chip and pin. It obviates the need to enter a PIN which is more convenient and invulnerable to attacks on PIN terminals, which have defeated chip and pin in the past.[1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMV

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Re: Apple adds a tracker blocker to desktop Safari

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Sounds to me like they basically transferred chip-and-pin online. Maybe it is magical in the American sense, but i can't say i get the big whoop from the European side of the Atlantic...

Apple Pay is a generation ahead of chip and pin. It obviates the need to enter a PIN which is more convenient and invulnerable to attacks on PIN terminals, which have defeated chip and pin in the past.[1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMV

What about contactless cards? I personally find contactless cards, common in the UK, much more convenient than having to faff about with my phone, which may be out of battery.
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