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Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Bose 35 noise cancelling headphones (or similar) should be provided to every programmer who is required to work in an open office environment, and even for remote programmers who have to work from coffee shops.

It's a hustle to find remote work at top pay, not impossible but harder than getting top pay for onsite. When will that change?

I've been remote since August 2015, and it's been a challenge to keep getting highly compensated remote work, but I managed it somehow.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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There is a dirty secret that nobody talks about and the real reason that companies want programmers in the office. Companies want their top performers in the office so they can serve as trainers/mentors/teachers to the new college kids and the incompetent older people they hire. I think this is the real reason companies crack down on working from home. It's infuriating as a top performer - I just want to get my assig…

This comment doesn't read like it was written by a "humbleMouse" :) I don't think this is a healthy attitude to have towards less experienced developers. Literally every experienced developer was once inexperienced, and I think for the vast majority of people, it's hard to become a senior or even intermediate developer without some mentorship along the way. I believe this is especially true for aspects outside of wri…

This attitude is understandable. A lot of the "college grads" I graduated with were people who I watched for 4 years not try very hard and walk away with the same degree as I had after I worked really hard preparing myself to be an effective engineer. Then I watched as they got nice paying desk jobs while I work around the clock being a freelance engineer who has to deliver working products to get paid. Hard work and dedication are what this job takes, not somebody older holding your hand. Looking at the code and process of older engineers is valuable but you have to proactively do that, it is part of being a dedicated engineer.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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I've invested thousands of dollars in my home setup (which will never be done), to create an amazing working environment. Why would I want to give that up? Sure, employers may give you a little $ to customize your desk and equipment, but if I'm going to be spending so much of my life at a computer, it'd better be amazing.

My employer's work environment is worth much more to me per year than the entire cost of your home setup thanks to all of the free meals and the gym equipment alone. Just something worth thinking about.

How old are you?

Meals at work would have appealed to me when I was in my 20s. Now in my 30s and married I wouldn't make use of such a thing even assuming said meals would meet my special diet. I don't eat much and I want to be hungry when I get home in order to sit down to eat dinner with my family. If I ate a full meal at lunch I wouldn't be very hungry for dinner.

It would annoy me that I couldn't 'trade' in food for cold hard cash.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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You're conflating 'influences' and 'being part of a team'. Einstein used the tools that were available to him. He was influenced by other people sure. But Einsteins WORK WAS HIS ALONE. IT WAS NOT THE RESULT OF A TEAM. By your logic... because I contributed to the Linux documentation I was part of the thousand person team that invented Linux!!! Adding that to my resume!!! I invented Linux!! In all seriousness, there's…

Hey, documentation (along with device drivers and userland apps) are tremendously important. Without them, linux would have been another toy project and none of us would have heard of it. Also linux follows in the footsteps of minix and other closed source unix systems right out of Bell Labs, so it's not like he wasn't drawing on a larger body of work. Hard to say he was inventing a whole lot of new stuff as opposed…

Agreed. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

The point is one SOLO GENIUS took all of the tools available to them at that point in history and made something amazing.

By your logic we have to go back and say cavemen inventing fire are key contributors to the Linux kernel because fire was an important tool to the creation of civilization which was critical for the invention of operating systems.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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I don't know what bothers me more. People willingly selling their souls to companies or the companies that spend humongous amounts of money to keep their employees away from their homes and lifes...

Why do you think I'm "selling my soul" just because I go into the office and eat the free food they provide? I work normal 40 hour weeks. I'm not being dragged away from my home and my life. You've got an overly cynical take on it. They're just nice perks that the company can provide cheaply at scale, e.g. I'd rather get three free meals per day than the $5,000 it costs my employer to make those meals per employee, b…

Usually when offices offer those perks it is to keep people at work and blur the line between work and home. It's not cynical to point that out. By offering really expensive perks they are filtering for people who value those perks over salary (because there really is no free lunch)

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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> most people in Silicon Valley can't seem to afford anything bigger What's the point of living in an ultra-expensive region if you work from home?

1. you get paid well. 2. silicon valley is a nice place to live in.

If you work from home there is no reason your geographic location should impact pay.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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I completely understand where he's coming from in writing that. Sometimes it feels like my entire day is spent training new hires, repeating the same things over and over again. In jobs where being an expert is a requirement, it's very frustrating to see the company hire employees fresh out of college and expect the senior employees to feed them 10 years of experience in a matter of weeks. And then either they take t…

The root problem here seems to be organization and task assignment. Unless the project is exceptionally complicated or badly designed, it should be easy or at least possible to separate easy tasks for less experienced people.

Irrespective of how small or isolated the task, you have to train them to do it. And more often than not with a junior hire, you have to re-do their work anyways, or baby-sit them the entire time while you tell them what to write.

Not to mention, that if it's something they can be trained in once and monkey-repeat ad-infinitum, then there is a near-100% chance that I can automate it.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Well, I'm self employed and work for customers mainly from my home (backend development, web technologies). One or two on site meetings per week and that's it. Sometimes I had to go to customers sites in my town two or three days per week, usually during design phases. Working at home (I live alone) and avoiding the office is definitely great. Zero commuting time, I worked this morning, went on a 2 hours 50 km bicycl…

For how many months, or years, have you been working from home? And, how often are you interacting in person with people?

I've found WFH to be great, but, after a while I really miss human interaction.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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> I don't want to teach all your shitty college grads humbleMouse's profile: "Mid-Twenties" lol.

Some people in mid 20s have a decade of experience. Many fresh grads have never coded outside of completing their assignments. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this observation.. unless of course you're ageist ;)

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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I like working from my office. I don't understand people that like working from home. Possible confounding variable: I live exactly two blocks from my office and don't have to commute. Perhaps, in actuality, people don't like to commute?

I will name some the reasons I like to work from home and none involve a commute: - I'm in an open office situation. - Standing desk is awkward when everyone else is sitting. - If I make a loud noise eating or sneezing or something like 5 people stare at me trying to figure out what is going on. - I can't have twitch or a baseball game on in the background because nosey co-workers will walk by, see my screen, and com…

Open office plans are awful, just as bad as cube farms where they mix their yacking sales people in with engineers. I've spent brief time working in many different office layouts and none of them were places I'd like to work. One startup had this guy with the loudest mechanical keyboard I've ever heard. I was in the complete diagonal opposite side of the office and it sounded like brief bursts of ping pong. It was the most distracting thing of any of the offices I've been in. Not one single office I ever went to did the right thing and gave engineers their own office with a door.
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