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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by nickpsecurity »

pjmlp wrote: post #210
ZenoArrow wrote: post #44

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I'd suggest the best remaining option for a FOSS-driven phone (now that Canonical have dropped the ball) is Tizen. It's got the backing of a large phone manufacturer (Samsung) and the Linux Foundation, and seems to be actively developed. It'll probably end up being used on low-end devices at first, but is likely to be more open than the two leading platforms, so hopefully they get some traction amongst tech community…

Tizen is a joke, they already rebooted the SDK multiple times. 1 - GTK+ based 2 - Took Bada OS C++ SDK with its Symbian C++ like flavour 3 - Rewrote the C++ API into something more appealing 4 - Thrown everything away and replaced with EFL, plain C API with C++ will come soon 5 - Now they are adopting .NET Core with Xamarin Forms How can anyone invest time developing for them?

That's even worse than the already-terrible market for FOSS phones. You get something that will have Linux or some standard API but probably disappear eventually. Then add the aggravation of having to change your stack constantly. Yeah, I'd pass on it unless it stabilizes into a standard stack. Preferably not dependent on Microsoft or Oracle tech either to reduce patent/copyright risk a bit.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by akulbe »

karussell wrote: post #222
Elhana wrote: post #215

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Short answer: Enterprise bosses like support contracts, because it covers their asses. You can basically ask the same question about redhat.

I can imagine this now, but how did they get to this point? I mean RedHat was a small unknown company then probably no one would have bought a support contract from them or at least the prices of these contracts were tiny.

I pay for a RH support contract... and it's a ripoff, if you ask me. Unless you're a MASSIVE company spending MASSIVE dollars... response time is slow. The turnaround time for a simple issue was like one question and one answer every 24 hours. It took me almost a week to get a simple registration issue worked out.

The #rhel channel on FreeNode was WAY more helpful in terms of skill and response time, and that was free. :/

I want to pay, to support them, but I'd like it to be worth it. Currently, it's hard to see where it is.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by WorldMaker »

dal wrote: post #192
AuthenticApe wrote: post #102

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Kudos to Samsung for the amazing efforts but DeX is far from open.

Of course but I meant that the proprietary version was here.

Then you can add Windows Continuum and whatever it was Motorola's project was called to the list.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by nickpsecurity »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #220
pjmlp wrote: post #210

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Tizen is a joke, they already rebooted the SDK multiple times. 1 - GTK+ based 2 - Took Bada OS C++ SDK with its Symbian C++ like flavour 3 - Rewrote the C++ API into something more appealing 4 - Thrown everything away and replaced with EFL, plain C API with C++ will come soon 5 - Now they are adopting .NET Core with Xamarin Forms How can anyone invest time developing for them?

>"How can anyone invest time developing for them?" What alternative do you suggest? I suggested they were the best remaining option for an open-source mobile OS now that Ubuntu were dropping out of the race. What other options are there? Sailfish? Anything else?

What he said. On top of it, maybe next failed attempt can try building on one of these for a stronger foundation:

https://github.com/ExpressOS/expressos

http://genode.org/

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by swift »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #226
javajosh wrote: post #212

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Application convergence already happens via the browser; this takes much wind out of the sails of OS convergence. However, it also means that browser focused OSes, ChromeBook and FireFoxOS, will probably be the ones to win, in the end.

I thought they cancelled FFOS, didn't they?

They did, though of course it's open source and somebody else could pick it up and continue development if they so chose.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by pmontra »

gshulegaard wrote: post #57

I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…

I'm for device convergence, a small phone as powerful as a current pro laptop. We're still not there and the battery would be a problem too.

The interfaces for the phone mode and the laptop mode could be very different, no problem with that.

With that in mind I welcome this move from Canonical. Converging on the same stack as everybody else is going to be good for the Linux desktop. I'm not worried anymore about compatibility issues, Mir and Wayland.

When the phone form factor will be able to fit enough computing power to be also a laptop, we'll find a way to design the appropriate UI. However note that with a fast and responsive network connection we could use phones as dumb terminals to remote processing power, so maybe that will be the solution to convergence.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by Twirrim »

DCKing wrote: post #174
frik wrote: post #136

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Gnome 2 and KDE 3 were pretty good. Then both shells lost their way. Why do they try to be a bad clone of macOS rather than keep being a Win98 on steriods (KDE 3) or a more simple shell for normal users (Gnome 2).

I dislike that people speak in such absolutes on this. You're expressing a personal opinion. In my opinion, Gnome 3 is amongst the best desktop shells I've ever used. It's focus on simplicity in the base, while including extensibility using, well, extensions is unparalleled. I like that I can choose my own complexity and features without resorting to editing config files or hacky black magic. It's only marred by a su…

For the most part I've become comfortable with the UI in Gnome 3, but I mostly avoid it. They've done a lot to fix the initial problems that the interface had, and I think they've got to a good place for the most part.

Try and switch to Gnome 2 / MATE for a little bit and see the drastic improvements in responsiveness, though. That's what kills gnome 3 for me. Even on a nice high spec machine I still end up conscious of the UI latency, and that's really not a good position to be in. The UI needs to get out of the way, and a key part of that is being fast.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by nthcolumn »

Paul-ish wrote: post #88
ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #18

I get that they're moving away from convergence, but what does this ultimately mean for Ubuntu as a mobile OS? In the grand scheme of things, what does this mean for users who want a completely FOSS stack for their phone (let's ignore the baseband for now)? As far as I can tell, this just means that your only options are Android or iOS. It's not easy to get a Jolla/SailfishOS phone that will work on most Canadian or…

What I don't understand is Shuttleworth basically said "the market has spoken, and does not want an Ubuntu phone." But I checked their website a few times a year to see if I could buy an Ubuntu phone and always saw a message about "Coming soon" or "sold out". How was the market supposed to get their hands on Ubuntu phone?

Basically torn between two streams - the one that paid for everything with AWS and ubuntu server doing well, driving juju and b2b stuff west coast, meanwhile open hostility and slow adoption of the marmite of DMs Unity, Ubuntu nOne (~dropbox) by the 'ingrates' and not helped by on-by-default Amazon (!) ads, BDFL RMS rants and various other missteps. It was unbelievably ambitious. I noted recently some Redmond 'embracing' going on (and we know what happens after 'embrace') wondering would 'Microsoft Linux' finally arrive - some partnership/deal. Ultimately the resource wasn't there for all of it, they aren't Google, and they are overtaken on all fronts now. I guess Mark wants to focus on what is bringing home the Bacon (if that pun is not too painful).

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by notatoad »

Touche wrote: post #173
gerbal wrote: post #170

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Canonical bending their demonstrated ui talents may just lead to a better Gnome 3 experience.

Do I live in an alternate universe? Do people really think this looks good? http://toastytech.com/guis/ubuntu114defaultunity.jpg

It looks acceptable, but more important than how it looks is how it works. Ubuntu has by far the most usable desktop, in the default configuration, of any linux variant. UI isn't just about the shade of purple you choose.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by smilliken »

sandGorgon wrote: post #97
geodel wrote: post #87

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Flatpak seems more limited in scope as documents say: > Can Flatpak be used on servers too? Flatpak is designed to run inside a desktop session and relies on certain session services, such as a dbus session bus and a systemd --user instance. This makes Flatpak not a good match for a server. Whereas Snap documents say: Package any app for every Linux desktop, server, cloud or device, and deliver updates directly.

I know - however these things are seldom demarcated on merit and more on ideology. I wish the next generation of linux has a single package manager :(

> I wish the next generation of linux has a single package manager :(

Package management used to be my biggest frustration with computers. A couple years ago, I switched to nix [1][2] and now use it across all my unix-like systems (not sure how well it works on Windows, I haven't tried). Most under-rated piece of software I use, I'm surprised it hasn't blown up yet.

[1] http://nixos.org/nix/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10714102

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