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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by ihuman »

redm wrote: post #190
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

I love Mac OS but it gets regular updates and which each update, it's more demanding. The hardware needs to keep up. Try running IOS 7 on a Gen 3 iPhone.

But you can't run iOS 7 on the 3GS (the third iPhone). The last update for it was 6.1.6.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by Operyl »

yokohummer7 wrote: post #226
phyrex wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's terrible to script, you cannot make use of the billion unix command line utilities (and there is no equivalent eco system either), you need to use the mouse too much, and it's awful to program with in any but a small number of sanctioned programming languages.

> It's terrible to script I'm pretty sure you didn't try PowerShell. It is at least as good as bash, if not better. > you need to use the mouse too much I find this more problematic on macOS. I was forced to use a mouse much more on macOS. It doesn't even allow me to press the yes/no dialog only using a keyboard. On Windows nearly every item has a shortcut, sometimes even better than GNOME (but worse than KDE, IMO).

I've yet to figure out what PowerShell can/can't do though really. Maybe I'm weird, but I like that it's bash on OS X, I already know it.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

jacquesm wrote: post #70
j_s wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure on the specifics of an 18-month-old MBP vs. this list, but nothing is guaranteed. https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux State of Linux on the MacBook Pro 2016 Not Working: • Audio input & output • Bluetooth • Keyboard backlight • Suspend & Hibernation • Touch ID • Wi-Fi

Kernel 4.9 fixes a bunch of those (the Wi-Fi for instance). I've had a similar experience with the Air but it works well with the newer kernels (including the SSD, which was the main problem for me).

But not the keyboard and touchpad.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by strictnein »

simonh wrote: post #230
strictnein wrote: post #159

> "with a modular design" Why? Just bring back the cheese grater case and call it a day. No pro needs or wants these fancy designs.

Wasn't the Cheese Grater a modular design?

It was sort of, but you also had pretty direct access to 3 PCI Express slots, 4 pretty standard drive bays (with pretty enclosures), and 4 or 8 memory slots (depending on 1 or 2 CPUs).

I'm just guessing by modular design they're talking about something much more complex and unique.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by simonh »

intoverflow2 wrote: post #118
IBM wrote: post #57

>Mac sales were up in 2016, once again outpacing the PC industry as a whole, and the new MacBook Pros are a hit, with sales up “about 20 percent” year over year. Brutal to all the MBP hot takes from this fall. Here's a good running list of them. https://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/27/new-macbook-pros-and-the-...

>Brutal to all the MBP hot takes from this fall. Not really, what are people supposed to do? Move their entire ecosystem to Windows? Just because it sells doesn't mean it's a great product. Balmer's reign is testament to that so I'm getting pretty tired of (non-shareholder) people pointing at spreadsheet numbers to justify Tim Cook doing a good job.

>Just because it sells doesn't mean it's a great product.

How about if the people it makes those record sales to love it?

"According to Brand Keys’ 2017 Customer Loyalty Engagement Index, Apple delivers a best in class user experience across every single category in which it competes, from smartphones to music streaming."

http://bgr.com/2017/01/20/apple-user-experience-customer-sat...

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by robotjosh »

ynniv wrote: post #65

a pro machine that demanded placement on your desk, not under your desk ... and that's how Apple lost the professionals. The desk is a clean space for a huge monitor / keyboard / mouse, and MY work. It's good to make a workstation that looks nice, but it's ten times as good to make one that's flexible and powerful. The only people who want that workstation on the desktop are the designers at Apple, and stroking your…

The first thing I did when I ditched mac was to get a pc motherboard/ram/cpu/psu and bolt it out of the way under my desk. More room on my desk is an upgrade. Nobody really makes enclosures designed to be out of the way.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by ctrl-j »

SippinLean wrote: post #186
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

>I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X Specifically? People typically point to the telemetry and forced updates, but I've managed to disable both, using what were admittedly much-too-difficult procedures or third-party software. It's annoying, but not that annoying. I really like Finder and Spotlight, but not enough to be tied, via licensing, to any specific hardware. Less cluttering--I can uninstall apps…

> It's annoying, but not that annoying.

I dunno, I've done all kinds of stuff to my windows 10 machine to keep Candy Crush Soda from reinstalling itself. Yet every few weeks/months that King garbage ends up on my start menu.

I use windows 10 because I'm a .NET developer and a gamer. If I could use OSX on my desktop instead, and have access to the same steam games - I can't think of a reason I would stay.

> Less cluttering--I can uninstall apps on windows

On OSX you typically don't need to 'uninstall' just drag to the trash. Yeah, some apps leave some garbage behind - but the same happens on windows when you 'uninstall'

> Native package manager-- I guess Windows has Chocolatey and I use npm for dev work.

I think the biggest detriment on this point for windows is that the command line interface on windows is not friendly. I recently worked on a project where half the team didn't know powershell, and the other half really loved powershell. We also used some stuff from the node ecosystem. We had scripts that would only run in cmd.exe, powershell scripts, and scripts that only worked in bash. In the end http://cmder.net/ saved my butt, since I could have all three shells open.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by jrimbault »

yokohummer7 wrote: post #253
Keyframe wrote: post #238

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From my perspective: If MacOS had: up-to-date OpenGL support, Nvidia made drivers that supported new cards for it, was not locked into Mac hardware - that would be tremendous. On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. If Linux, any desktop variant (Fedora my poison), had Adobe's support for their DCC apps an…

> On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. It is PowerShell, and it really is. Until recently I thought Windows had poor CLI support, and I discovered PowerShell and now I favor it even more than bash. Am I crazy? Possibly, but PowerShell is truly a piece of gem in the CLI history. It is a thoughtfully craf…

But why is it that the PowerShell terminal emulator is (graphically) even worse than a tty ? I've worked on ttys more agreeable on the eyes than Windows terminal emulators.

Windows is supposed to have better font support than Linux.

Also, if someone here has an answer: Why in the design of Windows aren't programs installed or symlinked in the PATH by default? I guess that was a design choice somewhere along the history of Windows/DOS. Is there a reason?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by yokohummer7 »

tachion wrote: post #240
yokohummer7 wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's terrible to script I'm pretty sure you didn't try PowerShell. It is at least as good as bash, if not better. > you need to use the mouse too much I find this more problematic on macOS. I was forced to use a mouse much more on macOS. It doesn't even allow me to press the yes/no dialog only using a keyboard. On Windows nearly every item has a shortcut, sometimes even better than GNOME (but worse than KDE, IMO).

It does, you simply need to change a default configuration for keyboard shortcuts to be able to jump over UI elements with keyboard only.

:( Why is it not the default? Is there a technical reason? I cannot think of any possible downside that the shortcuts would bring.
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