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Re: Tim Berners-Lee wins Turing Award

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Post by pseudalopex »

OJFord wrote: post #244
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #231

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He's still a mister. It's whether you buy in to "this is a male adult" vs. "I must respect this person's title because HM The Queen bestowed it on them". Mr Berners-Lee surely won't feel offended because the person addressing him isn't a [UK] royalist?

That's not the case though, just as, more obviously, 'Mrs' isn't limited in meaning to 'this is a female adult'. Increasingly and to the point of arguable totality, such titles are bestowed by popularity, committee, and HM Government. Damned shame, since it would mean more what it should were it not given to celebrity riff-raff for 'services to sport'. I digress. You say it's fine as a non-'UK royalist' to use an imp…

Does local custom work both ways? I think most Americans would consider "Mister" perfectly courteous.

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Post by EuAndreh »

nkristoffersen wrote: post #93
dexterdog wrote: post #37

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But that requires scrutiny as well. Just because you're paying does not mean that they are not profiting off of your data.

I trust google reasonably well when they say they do not scan G Suite (paid) products for advertising. https://support.google.com/work/answer/6056650?hl=en

After Snowden leakage, I don't think you should take their word for it.

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Post by seejay »

losvedir wrote: post #225
seejay wrote: post #59

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I don't understand the minus points here. Did I piss a bunch of people off? I genuinely loved OPs comment here (gave it an upvote). So instead of saying "woman" here If I just "assumed" he is a man and said congratulations "man" or "bro" would I get plus points?

Ha, yeah, I'm a man. I think if people knew you're not a native speaker they'd have cut you more slack. While "man" can be used in an informal and friendly way ("congratulations man!" wouldn't have raised any eyebrows), "woman" doesn't work that way. Instead, it comes across as sexist, since the only time you hear it is a chauvinistic man bossing a woman around ("dammit, woman, get over here!"). I admit it doesn't ma…

Haha first of all. Let me apologize to you. And I truly admire how you took it very lightly as oppose to the reactions I got from some police officers (Not the nice human beings who kindly explained things) here in HN.

And I think I owe you an explanation of what happened.

1) I read your super awesome story. (nerdgasm).

2) Upvotes instantly but fuck this is some really good storytelling so just adding an upvote without a smart comment on your achievement would be almost rude!

3) Adds a pun intended "holy crap" (It's TBL people, if that ain't holy crap I don't know what it is!)

4) Genuinely wanting to congratulate you, ends my "smart" comment with a "Congratulations man!".

5) Realizes that I just "assumed" you were a gentleman, which I (we, most people) do a little too much.

6) Knowing I would have gotten away with calling you "man" without looking rude for assuming you were a gentleman, decides if I should do it the other way. (Story of my life)

7) Does it and the rest, as they say, is history.

Thanks,

Re: Tim Berners-Lee wins Turing Award

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Post by seejay »

jacquesm wrote: post #210
syshum wrote: post #198

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>>Content owners have - in principle, legally backed - the right to distribute their content in any way they see fit, and content consumers have the option to refuse that content if the format it is presented in is un-acceptable to them, this is a consensual producer-consumer relationship. you are giving content "owners" (and I use that term losely, because legally they are Copyright Holders not owners, copyright is…

Don't buy blueray discs and don't use Midori, don't use any content at all that is DRM encumbered. Yes, that will limit your choice but so what, if enough people do it the coin will drop. That's my solution to this whole DRM issue and I've yet to find a 'must-see' thing that was DRM encumbered. Copyright law gives rights-holders all kinds of options, and digital tools have given them options to make it harder to do s…

What you don't realize is that the solution you suggest won't work if famous people like TBL publicly support DRM.

People wouldn't care about your opinions much, some would even call them dumb just like you call others opinions dumb. But when a respectable person like TBL says something people tend to take his words seriously.

This is why people were worried about what TBL did. A very few would have cared if you or I did such a thing.

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Post by thomastjeffery »

gkya wrote: post #223
chubot wrote: post #168

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I always felt that Tim Berners-Lee was not respected enough in both the computer science and programming communities. I felt it especially after working for over a decade at Google, which literally built its entire business on TBL's architectural concepts. For example, Google and other search engines would not work without the principle of least power [1], which a lot of people, including Alan Kay [2], somehow don't…

Torvalds didn't add anything to CS. He just wrote a Unix-like kernel. The kernel took off and the project grew to include thousands of devs and became the biggest OSS project ever, but still, it's a kernel, not much different in essence from any old Unix kernel. Git? Again, popular project, nothing new. It was even started contemporaneously with Mercurial, which is essentially equal to it, and both are no new inventi…

They didn't contribute to the science. They made very important contributions to the implementation of the science. Stallman also made very important contributions to the political/legal landscape.

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Post by inopinatus »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #233
inopinatus wrote: post #208

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I'll echo Simias. If you behave like a first-class citizen and follow all the current standards and protocols, then you'll be accepted as one. I've been running private mail services for decades, and by keeping pace with changing expectations I've never had a problem with deliverability.

That might be mostly true but it's not always completely true. I'll raise your anecdote with my own: We've been running on the same domain+IP for over a decade. Hotmail block us when we're whitelisted by the original sender and also responding to an email and also have corresponded before. We've never sent even a multi-person email never mind spam, always as a response to an enquiry, very low volume. We're blocked ap…

By sharing hosting with someone with a bad reputation, and then deliberately working around their controls, I have no surprise whatsoever that they drop your email. That is not behaving like a first-class citizen, that is behaving like an underhanded reprobate. Sorry to say that your anecdote is an illustration of "how not to do it".

You have to accept and work with changing expectations.

If you are unable to relocate to more reputable hosting, and your messages are legitimate, solicited, authorised, well-formed transactional email (no promotional mail shots), I suggest you switch to delivering through a squeaky-clean provider like Postmark.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

inopinatus wrote: post #266
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #233

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That might be mostly true but it's not always completely true. I'll raise your anecdote with my own: We've been running on the same domain+IP for over a decade. Hotmail block us when we're whitelisted by the original sender and also responding to an email and also have corresponded before. We've never sent even a multi-person email never mind spam, always as a response to an enquiry, very low volume. We're blocked ap…

By sharing hosting with someone with a bad reputation, and then deliberately working around their controls, I have no surprise whatsoever that they drop your email. That is not behaving like a first-class citizen, that is behaving like an underhanded reprobate. Sorry to say that your anecdote is an illustration of "how not to do it". You have to accept and work with changing expectations. If you are unable to relocat…

Using there own service within their terms and conditions is being "an underhand reprobate".

They could just obey their own customers white-listing, or over-ride blacklisting for domains that act appropriately.

So you really think that having a domain of 10+ years standing that doesn't send unsolicited emails at all is "not behaving like a first class citizen"?

If someone in your ISPs /26 sends spam from a different IP and using a different domain, that totally means you're a massive spammer who's ruining the internet??

I could of course change ISP but which of the 15+ yo ISPs will have a spammer somewhere in their IP block, no way to tell.

So the only option left is pay to be able to send email to MS addresses. And you're fine with that? It's all our fault for replying to emails?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

flukus wrote: post #253
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #231

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He's still a mister. It's whether you buy in to "this is a male adult" vs. "I must respect this person's title because HM The Queen bestowed it on them". Mr Berners-Lee surely won't feel offended because the person addressing him isn't a [UK] royalist?

Knighthood isn't a royalist issue. Australia has knighthoods bestowed by the prime minister. Unfortunately our PM decided to knight Prince Charles...

A knight of Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second's Order of the British Empire. Yeah, nothing to do with royalty /s.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #258
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #231

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He's still a mister. It's whether you buy in to "this is a male adult" vs. "I must respect this person's title because HM The Queen bestowed it on them". Mr Berners-Lee surely won't feel offended because the person addressing him isn't a [UK] royalist?

Do you similarly never refer to people as Doctor, Reverend, Minister, or Coach so-and-so? It's part of his name. If Sir Tim didn't want to be knighted, I feel confident he wouldn't have been. You'll note that his wikipedia page calls him Sir Tim, and I feel confident he could change it if he so chose. You are clearly free to call him whatever you want, but I would advise you to be honest enough to realize that you're…

In practice you're right, i call people what they indicate their designation to be. Where I work we've had a person call themselves something like "Grand Wizard-Admiral of the Terran System" - some people like a pompous name.

If a person is an MD, professor, and such then that's totally acceptable. If the designation is "the Queen says you have to call me sir now" I don't really see what business it is of the Queen's or that it's more respectful to recognise a person because "the Queen smiled at them" than recognising their actual work/effort as fellowship of a learned society does.

It's an anachronous system of nepotism; bleurgh. What's not to like./s

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Post by flukus »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #268
flukus wrote: post #253

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Knighthood isn't a royalist issue. Australia has knighthoods bestowed by the prime minister. Unfortunately our PM decided to knight Prince Charles...

A knight of Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second's Order of the British Empire. Yeah, nothing to do with royalty /s.

The could become a republic and everyone would be a knight of the president instead.
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