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I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by sctb »

_andromeda_2 wrote: post #188
hueving wrote: post #79

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>He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million He didn't inherit it with a bunch of strings attached from lobbyists. The Clintons have been pulling money into their foundation leveraging political connections built up over decades. People don't care that he's rich with daddy's money, they care that it's not "decades of political speeches and political fundraising money". >He didn't pay his taxes He would be a…

Ah! A breath of fresh air on HN. >He would be a moron if he didn't pay the legally required amount Precisely. Why would anyone pay more taxes than they're legally required to? He'd be in jail otherwise. You see, people are caught up in complexity instead of asking simple questions such as these. It is however so blatantly obvious that folks attacking Trump on such issues don't have anything concrete to discredit Pres…

Hacker News is a community, and incendiary partisan comments such as these aren't conducive to the kind of civil discussion that we're effortfully striving for here. It's absolutely not OK to then repost already-flagged comments with new accounts.

We also ban accounts that use the site primarily for political and ideological purposes for the same reason: that's not what this site is for.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by grey-area »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #258
grey-area wrote: post #206

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We now have a very good idea what Trump will do - literally what he promised to do, which was all about autarky, closing the country off and bringing industry back to the US, and of course to be the most important man in the world (he was on the cover of time magazine 15 times you know). He has been very clear and consistent in his words and actions. Americans first and I think Trump first amongst Americans in a nati…

> We now have a very good idea what Trump will do - literally what he promised to do But we don't. He promises things like "repeal and replace Obamacare." That's fine, except that the important question is replace it with what ? If it's a substantially similar bill that still includes expensive subsidies to private health insurance companies with poverty-trap-inducing means testing, that is not going to help people.…

I think he will do what he said he would - repeal and replace. Note that doesn't mean improve, and why would he care if it helps the little people who scurry about beneath his feet. Smoke and mirrors will do and he'll insist it was a great reform package, a great reform, the best healthcare. There will be no meaningful change but maybe some cuts.

Also I'd note you've picked on only one issue, one that is not a priority for him IMO and thus he'll hand over to congress to make a mess of, then put his name to. He cares about healthcare like he cared about Clinton - useful campaign material.

We'll see more far reaching changes in trade, immigration, foreign policy, infrastructure. I expect at least one accidental war, and some massive infrastructure projects which he can put his name to.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by dgregd »

d3ckard wrote: post #68

Nice post, though there are some caveats. As a Pole (as some of you know, we do have some issues here too, though many would disagree) I feel at least a bit competent to give you a bit of advice, so you can get out of it better than we did. 1. Donald Trump is not your enemy, nor a problem. He is a manifestation of the problem, which is current state of your society and problems you have. Do not believe that you can j…

> problems came back after 8 years, worse than ever

Please give some real examples what problems came back after that 8 years. In live in Poland and haven't noticed any particular change to worse in last year.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by dgregd »

d3ckard wrote: post #68

Nice post, though there are some caveats. As a Pole (as some of you know, we do have some issues here too, though many would disagree) I feel at least a bit competent to give you a bit of advice, so you can get out of it better than we did. 1. Donald Trump is not your enemy, nor a problem. He is a manifestation of the problem, which is current state of your society and problems you have. Do not believe that you can j…

> Trust me, the alternative is much worse

The alternative is French Revolution. Hopefully for leftist elite democracy is still working.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by wan23 »

venomsnake wrote: post #72
dredmorbius wrote: post #19

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No. No it is not. "Trump asked for a ‘Muslim ban,’ Giuliani says — and ordered a commission to do it ‘legally’" “How did the president decide the seven countries?” she asked. “Okay, talk to me.” “I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.'"…

Still it is not. Because when you leave out China, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria, Algeria, Morocco, Pakistan, Germany, Turkey, UK, France ... which each have a lot of Muslims there whether in relative or absolute terms. The ban is only for arabs in very unstable countries and Iran. There is no good reason to allow entry of people from countries that are at (civil) war and Iran is adversary, so there is n…

There may not be a fundamental right, but there are some very practical reasons to allow permanent residents and people who already hold valid visas to enter the country. Those documents are very difficult to obtain, often requiring sponsorship by an American corporation that would presumably be hurt by having their workers turned away at the border with no warning. Further these documents represent promises made by the American people to these individuals, who enter into leases, buy property, open gym memberships and generally build lives in the United States because they had been previously granted permission to stay for a time. What does it say about us that a change in leadership might suddenly invalidate promises previously made by the government for no apparent reason? Given such uncertainty why should anyone invest anything into this country?

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by pfooti »

redsummer wrote: post #255
pfooti wrote: post #118

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The Christian exemption in the EO is evidence the EO is using a religious test to exclude Muslims. Accepting refugees who are persecuted due to religion is quite different.

What Christian exemption?

Read the rest of this thread. Stop sealioning. Or read the EO where it calls out minority religions in countries with a majority Islamic population, coupled with Trump specifically saying he'd prioritize christians in the media.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by vacri »

hueving wrote: post #257
vacri wrote: post #180

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The administration before Obama started a needless war with a country that was no threat to them, that resulted in the deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of people, the destruction of two sovereign countries, and set in motion a sequence of events that has Europe tearing itself apart. All to get an electoral boost for the 2004 election...

And this absolves the expansion of drone killings by Obama somehow?

No, but it's an improvement on the previous state of affairs.

You're making a false equivalence in the first place, suggesting that all Trump is doing is these bans. He's already greenlit a military raid, and children and other noncombatants died in it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-t...

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by redsummer »

pfooti wrote: post #266
redsummer wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Christian exemption?

Read the rest of this thread. Stop sealioning. Or read the EO where it calls out minority religions in countries with a majority Islamic population, coupled with Trump specifically saying he'd prioritize christians in the media.

I guess you'll be happier if minority religions were murdered rather prioritized. "We can't prioritise Jews being murdered by Nazis - we must cover our eyes and ignore it"

Perhaps it's only Christians you want murdered.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by badwulf »

grzm wrote: post #247
googletazer wrote: post #243

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Why does it matter? He (mostly) isn't wrong in his political rant

Because HN is a community where people have discussions with each other. Pseudonyms are fine. The community benefits from consistent accounts that others can relate to as members of the community. Otherwise there are effectively no users and no community, which is a very different place.

You should care about the message itself not who is saying it.

There are SJW mobs who downvote every comment that hurts their narrative. You can write factually correct and appropriate comments, they will still downvote it if they disagree. If you don't want to lose your HN points, you either self censor, and let the SJWs win or you make your statement from a throwaway account.

Re: I'm Loyal to Nothing Except the Dream

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Post by badwulf »

estsauver wrote: post #27
aswerty wrote: post #14

This is the second political post I've seen sky rocket on HN this morning. I assume a mod intervened on the last one since it disappeared rather quickly. Do we really want to start political discussions in HN? Politics creates enough friction between people in real life let alone discussions with strangers over the internet.

I think so. Communities that aren't willing to deal with this tragedy that's rapidly unfolding in America aren't communities I want to be a part of.

This is a tech community, we aren't supposed to deal with politics.

What tragedy are you talking about? I think what's happening is great, Europe should start embracing a similar policy(assuming you are talking about the refugee ban).

Here is a tip: whenever you feel overly sensitive about something in politics, ask yourself the question: why did this happen? how did we get here? and look up people who have an opinion opposite to yours, not just the ones who feel like you.

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