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Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by jasonkostempski »

fizzbatter wrote: post #157
INTPenis wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I had known that trick. I payed some money for it, which isn't unusual since I often donate money to open source or activism. But this time I regret every cent. Coming from Mac OS, or even Fedora, Elementary seems unpolished and unstable.

I really wish someone would start a paid OS based on Linux and OSS tools. I'd happily pay $100/y (year being, new versions/etc) for a stable and awesome UI/UX. As it is, my Macbook Pro Retina has been crashing a lot and doing weird things frequently since i upgraded to Sierra. Between that and the latest Macbook Pro notebooks, i just don't like Apple anymore. I'm pretty set on buying a highend laptop _(similar build…

Awesome UI/UX is where everything falls apart. Everyone wants something different and just about everything beyond a rectangle with a few handy buttons on it actually slows productivity. Nothing's worse than waiting for an animation to complete so you can click a button you have to click 100 more times today. On top of that, people get bored really fast and then everything has to be overhauled for absolutely 0 gain.

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Post by mikeash »

mohanmcgeek wrote: post #251
embik wrote: post #203

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As far as I know the GPL does not allow trial periods and asking for money later on, but feel free to correct me. That's why elementary cannot do such a thing.

No. Gpl has no such thing. But you'll have to provide the source code with your software, so I'll just modify the source to give myself infinite trial. _that's why it won't work_

It'll work, it just won't get quite as many conversions as it might otherwise. The same principle applies to closed-source software, after all: you have to provide the binary, so I'll just modify the binary to give myself an infinite trial. This is entirely doable, but enough people still pay to make it a viable business in many cases.

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Post by muyuu »

m_mueller wrote: post #64
keyle wrote: post #55

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Great question. It's hard to get even close to the Mac touchpads.

Why is that such a hard problem? Do they all just not care? Patents?

Not sure if it's so hard, but patents certainly exist for Apple's trackpads.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by Ajedi32 »

nsxwolf wrote: post #159

So USB-C is what it takes to get you to switch to Linux? What are you going to do when all other laptop manufacturers follow suit - switch back? Mac users who make this threat sound just like people who threaten to move to Canada every election cycle.

It's not so much the presence of USB-C ports as it is the absence of anything else. For example, the Dell XPS 13 9350, has a USB-C port, but it also has 2 USB-A ports and a memory card reader.

Until USB-C becomes the universal standard it's meant to be, consumers are better served by having multiple ports on their PCs to choose from.

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Post by throwsincenotpc »

matzipan wrote: post #199
throwsincenotpc wrote: post #162

They need to watch out because apparently the Gnome foundation wants to ditch Vala for Rust to cut cost and "attract more developers" : https://siliconislandblog.wordpress.com/2016/10/31/thoughts-... > and support a preferred programming language (Vala) https://launchpad.net/elementary

I agree with the article. Vala is a wonderful language, but it doesn't have the necessary tooling built around it.

> I agree with the article. Vala is a wonderful language, but it doesn't have the necessary tooling built around it.

Sure but they had like 10 years to do that, I remember a french guy who ever wrote a complete IDE with autocompletition + package manager for Vala on Windows. Support from the Gnome Foundation ? zip .

Oh, and I even found the link.

http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/24

So the tooling my ass, they just don't want to bother with Vala

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Post by reitoei »

deadbunny wrote: post #189
kabdib wrote: post #92

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Windows is getting better, but it will still make you very angry. The update system makes me howl. The shell is pale shadow of the MacOS terminal (you can kind of fix this with other shells, but the app-restore behavior after a reboot? Gone, and Windows reboots a lot compared to MacOS).

When you say shell I assume you mean terminal. The Windows terminal is utter garbage, and I've not found a decent one (i've not looked very hard to be fair) but you can install bash (the shell) and have all the functionality you've got in OSX (also a bash shell, a really really old bash shell).

Git Bash + ConEmu + Chocolatey is pretty close to perfection IMHO.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by vladimir-y »

haffla wrote: post #124

I find Apricity OS (Arch Linux) much better suited for developers. In fact at work I switched from Ubuntu to Apricity. Through yaourt (paceman frontend) and AUR (Arch User Repository) it's a breeze to install the latest versions of literally everything you need be it Docker, Java or IntelliJ. I think it's comparable with brew. Plus Apricity looks so much better than Elementary in my opinion and almost manages to give…

Why not Manjaro? Does Apricity ship Arch packages passed through the its own repositories doing some testing and making sure core components are not broken and work well one with each other in the Apricity terms and in general? Manjaro does that, there is a kind of release cycle, every 1 or 2 week updates come, ie updates come not directly from the Arch repos (except AUR stuff obviously).

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Post by Exuma »

Honestly, this looks abysmal. This is like 1/1000th of the complexity and flexibility of macOS. What are you actually so upset about that warrants building a new, hideous, kiddy-version of mac OS?

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by aroman »

fizzbatter wrote: post #157
INTPenis wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I had known that trick. I payed some money for it, which isn't unusual since I often donate money to open source or activism. But this time I regret every cent. Coming from Mac OS, or even Fedora, Elementary seems unpolished and unstable.

I really wish someone would start a paid OS based on Linux and OSS tools. I'd happily pay $100/y (year being, new versions/etc) for a stable and awesome UI/UX. As it is, my Macbook Pro Retina has been crashing a lot and doing weird things frequently since i upgraded to Sierra. Between that and the latest Macbook Pro notebooks, i just don't like Apple anymore. I'm pretty set on buying a highend laptop _(similar build…

You just described elementary (fwiw, it is a for-profit LLC).

I think you're massively underestimating the magnitude and difficulty of what you're seeking. elementary has been at this for 5 years and made an immense amount of progress, though. But it's definitely still not at the level of Apple, which has had decades and billions of dollars poured into this.

It's not a "paid OS" in that it doesn't force you to pay a particular dollar amount, though. (People tend to lose their minds when you charge them for open-source software.)

https://elementary.io/docs/human-interface-guidelines

f/d: I was on the elementary core team

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by yalogin »

What exactly is the reason to switch to another OS? I thought the complaints were about hardware. How the hell is elementary OS going to make the hardware better? Also can someone tell me the main complaint about the hardware, is it the USB-C and the sd card?
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