I second Dan's advice of blogging more. I'm a very average HN commenter. I do put in effort in writing here, trying to be civil above all and sharing my experience where it could be of interest. But I'm not Alan Kay, I've never rewritten a distributed deep learning system in Haskell using a genetically optimized Paxos consensus protocol, and my entrepreneurial experience is a loose string of "don't do this" case stud…
HN comments are underrated
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#262I think the culture of rejecting joke-only comments is significant. I love a good joke, but so does everybody else. Rewarding jokes would have a major effect on the signal/noise ratio.
From my own experience, you can get jokes through the filter if you go against the rules of comedy and explain the joke / provide a serious version of the point in the same post.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm having a severe case of cognitive dissonance here. A positive, supportive environment is one that allows people to speak up, supports people to be critical and allows both success and failures but doesn't perpetuate failures - meaning the initiative or product is separate from the person. A negative, unsupportive environment generally makes people feel like shit until they quit or are fired, perpetuates failed in…
Obviously, positive and supportive mean different things to different people. I, for example, don't see how you can be positive, supportive, but criticize other people's ideas and work they are doing at the same time. So, at best it's a neutral place, leaning towards negativity, since expressing criticism substantially is a lot of effort, it's easier to simply call bad ideas as bad and move on. The research is actual…
I think the key is to consider your motivation. Do you want the person to succeed? Do you have their best interests in mind? Assuming you do and your actions are congruent with that, you're being supportive.
If you see a way they can do something better, or want to point out a mistake, you should do that, because you believe it's in their best interest to improve and learn. And you'll want to do that in a way that is receptive to them.
Generally that's going to be a more positive experience than a negative one. I think we'd agree that ripping into them for making a mistake or telling them they're stupid is unlikely to be effective in the long term. I don't know you, but I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt that that's not how you interact anyway :) I'm using it as an example of something I'm sure we've all experienced or at least heard of.
You might argue I'm just reframing it, and yeah, I am, but I do think it's a fair and useful reframe.
Your point about the cost of expressing criticism has validity. Thinking deeply and critically in general takes a lot of effort, and there is a cost in empathy as well. After all, you're now thinking about the problem and the other person. I think the empathy part gets easier over time and can become a habit. In a team setting, once there's a common understanding of support and constructive criticism, you've got some slack to give people the benefit of the doubt in everyday interactions. Think of it as a social lubricant, or insurance that pays out when things aren't going so well.
Think of it from the point of view of the recipient. If you've been working hard on a problem and it's not working out, you might not be feeling so great. Or maybe the work's just fine but your blood sugar's low and you're feeling a little irritated.
Someone comes along and points out problems in your work. You're already at a deficit, so it's extra effort to be empathetic towards them as well. Are they actually being supportive with constructive criticism? Or tearing you down? If that social lubricant hasn't been applied in a while, it might be harder to give them then benefit of the doubt.
No one needs to be malicious or overly sensitive for this to lead to a more negative situation, nor do you need to be overly upbeat and cheery all the time. (I'm certainly not and try to keep myself from being critical of people who are :)
I might have read a lot more into what you wrote than you intended. It's not my intent to misrepresent what you've said, so please feel free to point out anything I may have unfairly assumed or misread.
What do you think?
Re: HN comments are underrated
#264I have often thought it's be great to do a "best comments of the week" email list the same way "Kernel Traffic" did for a number of years with Linux kernel development: http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/archives.html Condensing comments down to the 5-10 gems would be very interesting. And, perhaps with the voting system, not that difficult.
Interestingly the links to comments don't seem to be published anywhere on the website, unlike everything else in the email.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
Business startup ideas are essentially experiments in economic theory. Yet HN comments are vastly inferior to Reddit's when regarding anything to do with economics. It didn't used to be this way, and I kind of miss the HN of old... where logic and fearlessness were valued more than affiliation or keeping up of brand appearances. I've been finding it increasingly disconcerting that the incentive here lately has been t…
Reddit is a swamp of filth wrt economics comments. Basically all the subreddits except /r/academiceconomics, /r/badeconomics, /r/econpapers are awful. I'm friends with the mods of /r/economics and they have a really hard time reigning in the masses of ideologues (on all sides) ruining what should remain pure economics discussions.
The subreddit arguing that it’s reasonable to give companies power over democratically legitimated governments?
No thanks.
This is a non-negotiable requirement, no non-democratic entity should have power over the highest democratic entity.
That’s the fundamental issue that makes traditional ISDS problematic, and why ICS and the new ISDS alternative in CETA were created in the first place.
But /r/badeconomics ignores that entire political problematic.
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is pretty much why I use HN at all: it doesn't make me feel smart, but I learn new, exciting things constantly. Thanks for articulating it so well.
...okay. You're welcome, I guess, but I'm not sure what's so hard about articulating it that makes doing so praiseworthy. Or were you just being nice? If so, that's totally fine, never mind.
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#267Another thing I've noticed about HN comments is that everything is hyped beyond what it deserves. For example, the recent DDoS attacks were just a bunch of skids with Mirai, but it was discussed as if it was the end of the internet. There's also the issue of self-censorship, where users will refrain from posting their opinion in case they get downvotes and negative karma. The things people post here are fascinating,…
As far as I'm aware it was the biggest DDoS attack on DNS ever. Whatever the cause, the effect was massive. The potential to effectively blackout major parts of the Internet for more than several hours is pretty concerning to me.
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#268HN comments need a vertical bar on the left side to indicate indent level. i find it hard to skim conversations in narrow screens.
It's practically impossible to read comments nested more than one level deep on mobile and keep track of what level of nesting you're at. In contrast, Reddit handles this pretty well.
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#269A way to reduce disruptive comments might be to make one downvote cost one karma point. Down-voting should be for disruption, not ignorance. Ignorant comments are fine. Get them out there so they can be aired and corrected. Laymen get to know what they think. Experts get to know what laymen think. Occasionally there's a good idea. Talk is cheap and we should do more of it. The alternative is people being far more ign…
> A way to reduce disruptive comments might be to make one downvote cost one karma point. That is such a good idea it has actually been integral to HN for, oh, I don't know, a pretty long time... From the FAQ ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html ): ''' How is a user's karma calculated? Roughly, the number of upvotes on their stories and comments minus the number of downvotes. The numbers don't match up exactly…