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Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Post by niahmiah »

anilgulecha wrote: post #161
habitue wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I'm really glad we didn't go that route. ReQL is an amazing, well thought out language. You could make the same argument about Mongo should have emulated SQL. In practice other factors dominate.

Mongo already had "won" the NoSQL battle. So if rethink had made it compatible with mongo's query language, I can imagine that when Mongo was getting all the bad-press many would have jumped their backend to Rethink, without having to worry about modifying their application. Of course, this is with the benefit of looking back, but the parent's hypothesis has legs.

Exactly. RethinkDB had basically the same traits as MongoDB, with real-time features as a bonus. It was never really competing with other RDBMS (that support transactions, etc.), it was competing directly with MongoDB.

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Post by WhitneyLand »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #225
vegabook wrote: post #192

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> KDB knocks the socks off everything else ...but the licence is 250k dollars a year so big fail for startups.

That's the salary of a single employee. Surely they can afford a database on the payroll.

After that comment I'd bet good money you've never started a company or worked full time at an early stage startup.

Recommend you take one of your ideas and sketch out a back of the napkin first year plan. I bet it doesn't include using 250k of investor's seed money for a database.

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Post by kod »

habitue wrote: post #103
mangeletti wrote: post #72

Does anyone have experience with Postgres' pubsub[1] as a means for realtime apps? 1. https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.6/static/sql-notify.html

One of the big differences that RethinkDB has going for it is that its connections are based on coroutines, so it's really efficient to have thousands of open connections. Postgres uses one process per connection, so it's much harder to scale.

pgbouncer

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Post by [deleted] »

pavlov wrote: post #159
nodesocket wrote: post #148

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Patrick, I am curious why Stripe didn't just acquire RethinkDB completely? Seems like you could have gotten a bargain. Their investors get some money back, you'd get their excellent intellectual property, and finally the entire functioning RethinkDB team joins Stripe. Win-win right?

The IP is open source, and Stripe owes nothing to RethinkDB's investors. Why buy something you can have for free?

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Post by mrcwinn »

I never used it in production (lack of need, not a lack of interest), but I always enjoyed playing with RethinkDB. Really fantastic work - both under the hood and the presentation on top. Be proud of the work everyone did. Stripe is a great home to end up at!

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Post by samdung »

RethinkDB fits into the category of products i love but do not use because i do not want to manage the underlying servers. I've moved to Firebase and other 'services' on the Google, AWS clouds.

Given that this is the way many of us are operating (i.e. 'moving to the cloud'), i wonder what the state of open source software is going to be in the coming years ...

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Post by revo13 »

nodesocket wrote: post #148
pc wrote: post #48

RethinkDB is one of the developer tools that we at Stripe most looked up to.[1] The team had so many good ideas and rigorous, creative thoughts around what a database could be and how it should work. I'm really bummed that it didn't work out for them and have enormous respect for the tenacity of their effort. I'm also excited to have them join us here at Stripe. As we've gotten to know Mike, Slava, and the other Reth…

Patrick, I am curious why Stripe didn't just acquire RethinkDB completely? Seems like you could have gotten a bargain. Their investors get some money back, you'd get their excellent intellectual property, and finally the entire functioning RethinkDB team joins Stripe. Win-win right?

Coming from a failed startup myself, there is probably a bit of debt associated with the company at this point. In our final throws of life, we raised additional capital (angel/VC/etc) via convertible note to sustain the business a bit further. This in addition to back rent, unpaid bills, etc, leaves quite a pile of financial liability that any acquiring company would likely assume. Easier to let the company die and hire the staff as a separate operation.

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Post by grantjgordon »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #174
happertiger wrote: post #169

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I have always wondered why there isn't a tech company that just does kick ass documentation for companies. Seems like a small group of people who make kick butt stuff in this area. Really, you did have fantastic documentation, as the original said. Kudos.

Thank you. And...hmm. That's an interesting question.

The Rethink docs truly are incredible.

Do you have any guides or books you recommend for writing good documentation? What software did you use to produce Rethink?

Sorry to see Rethink go.

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Post by nathancahill »

samdung wrote: post #266

RethinkDB fits into the category of products i love but do not use because i do not want to manage the underlying servers. I've moved to Firebase and other 'services' on the Google, AWS clouds. Given that this is the way many of us are operating (i.e. 'moving to the cloud'), i wonder what the state of open source software is going to be in the coming years ...

I'd like to caution you about doing this. Look at Parse. Not owning the "underlying servers" your product runs on is a liability, not a benefit.

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Post by stemuk »

samdung wrote: post #266

RethinkDB fits into the category of products i love but do not use because i do not want to manage the underlying servers. I've moved to Firebase and other 'services' on the Google, AWS clouds. Given that this is the way many of us are operating (i.e. 'moving to the cloud'), i wonder what the state of open source software is going to be in the coming years ...

Actually I did the opposite, since Firebase comes with a huge vendor lock-in. For smaller projects Firebase however may be a good fit, the Flame plan provides good value for 25 bucks a month. If your product needs scale up to the Blaze plan you are probably screwed...
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