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Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by alexbanks »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #227
justinpombrio wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"retard" is also a correct word to use here; it means "to delay". > If you would like to know why it's offensive to some people, I could educate you. Could you educate us as to why it's offensive in this context ? I think we all know why calling a mentally handicapped person "retarded" offends some people, but no one did so.

Since you asked, Words are powerful and stir up emotions. In this context, someone stigmatized as "slow" or "dumb" by society, reading a sentence with the word "retard" in it has to deal with bad memories from the past rather than understanding the concepts in this sentence. Clearly, an alternative word choice exists. That's one reason why it's offensive.

But do you not understand that while writing a sentence, it is not the job of the writer to tip toe around the reader's possible negative life experience? It would be near impossible to write about anything if that were the case.

Example: In your post you used the phrase "bad memories." I have bad memories of something that happened a week ago. Thus, your post is offensive (by your reasoning).

Ultimately if you're speaking appropriately (as in, not using slang), it is the job of the reader to perceive context correctly.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by dragonwriter »

justinpombrio wrote: post #208
senthil_rajasek wrote: post #199

"Phase shift varies with frequency and can advance or retard as the frequency changes" I looked up Webster's American English Thesaurus and the antonym for 'advance' in the sense that it's used in your sentence is recede. Here is the same sentence rewritten using recede. "Phase shift varies with frequency and can advance or recede as the frequency changes." This is an easy case where you could have used correct langu…

"retard" is also a correct word to use here; it means "to delay". > If you would like to know why it's offensive to some people, I could educate you. Could you educate us as to why it's offensive in this context ? I think we all know why calling a mentally handicapped person "retarded" offends some people, but no one did so.

> "retard" is also a correct word to use here; it means "to delay".

I think its wrong; my experience of its usage suggests that is, at least, odd to use it intransitively, and, in any case, the use here might be compatible with "to be delayed", but not with "to delay" (that is, "advance or be retarded" would work, but be less-than-desirable for lack of parallelism of structure; "advance or recede", to the extent that it communicates the correct meaning, is preferable.)

All this is aside from any concerns of "retard" being used offensively in other contexts, which I think is irrelevant to the problem here.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by FeatureRush »

kmonsen wrote: post #239
AWildDHHAppears wrote: post #111

Interesting. For projects that don't need a "community" we've been using Amazon CodeCommit. We don't like to use Github anymore because of the politics there. Example: We had a project involving software filters that included this sentence in the description: > Phase is related to time, but a pure time delay does not involve any phase shift. A pure time delay or "group delay" is constant with frequency. Phase shift v…

Why are you specifying it was a woman?

[I'm not OP] Does one have to always make sure not to mention gender in English? I'm from Poland and in Polish you mention it all the time unless you specifically go out of your way not to do so. Before I've seen people criticized for translating "programistka" as "female programmer" and there was that proposal for some NLP library the other day, to drop any functionality detecting gender... And doing that to Polish (or any Slavic) NLP library would make the software useless: emperor/empress,prince/princess,sorcerer/sorceress - it may sound like fantasy to many but this is the reality for language with grammatical gender. I'm not saying there are no biases against women in Eastern Europe, but no one here would find mentioning gender offensive or inappropriate, in fact the opposite is true... I also don't remember such rule being mentioned in my English course.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by redbergy »

zwerdlds wrote: post #245
kmonsen wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you specifying it was a woman?

Moreover, why would he even know in the first place?

If either of you bothered to read the thread before moving forward with your agendas you would have the answers to the questions you're asking[1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12232822

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by labster »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #198
favadi wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in an asian country where racist is (mostly) not a thing, so why people cares about those rates is a mystery for me. In my thought, if there are 2 candidates for a leader role, and they decided "oh, we need more women in leader rank, we should chose her", it is just wrong. Race/gender shouldn't be even considered as a factor in those situations.

Which asian country is that, because I'm not immediately thinking of too many that fit that bill.

I'm not thinking of any countries on Earth that fit the bill. Sealand maybe?

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by gravypod »

The idea of switching from one company that holds your data to another doesn't make sense to me. What does make sense and is worth working for is being able to host my own code on my network. That's where GitLab really comes in for my work. I have no reason to switch from one platform to another if I can't host it in my own network.

GitLab was a great idea but from my experience it's been built on an extremely frustrating method of deployment.

I'm not a dev ops person nor do I want to be. I want things to be as simple as "run this and it will work" without me needing to do much of anything.

I tried to setup a GitLabs instance but after running a simple update command (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) it broke. It seemed to have something to do with something called Sidekick at the time or something along those lines. It was just frustrating that the automated update scripts from their deb BROKE their own system. That just should never be a possibility in a system, I have near no tolerance for dealing with crap like that.

After messing around with it for a while I gave up and tried Gogs. It was easier to use but using go's build tools yielded similar problem for me. It's not the easiest thing to setup and takes a bit of know how to get Gogs and golang's build tools working (I know someone is going to tell me I'm wrong and that this did not happen to me).

I settled on GitBucket [1] and I have to say I'll not be switching to anything else. It was simple: download and run a single jar file. I setup an unprivileged user, it's own opt folder, and a small init.d script to do everything I needed. To update I download the latest version and I do a drop in replacement with the .jar. Nothing difficult. (Sadly GitHub seems to have put legal pressure on them to change their 'look' so they've done that but before that it was perfectly stable in appearance unlike GitLabs).

If anyone is interested in the self-hosting aspect of this, I'd say don't look at GitLabs, Gogs, or any of the other systems out there. Look at GitBucket.

[1] - https://gitbucket.github.io/

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by FeatureRush »

dragonwriter wrote: post #262
justinpombrio wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"retard" is also a correct word to use here; it means "to delay". > If you would like to know why it's offensive to some people, I could educate you. Could you educate us as to why it's offensive in this context ? I think we all know why calling a mentally handicapped person "retarded" offends some people, but no one did so.

> "retard" is also a correct word to use here; it means "to delay". I think its wrong; my experience of its usage suggests that is, at least, odd to use it intransitively, and, in any case, the use here might be compatible with "to be delayed", but not with "to delay" (that is, "advance or be retarded" would work, but be less-than-desirable for lack of parallelism of structure; "advance or recede", to the extent that…

In epic (literary genre) you use 'retardation' in a form of long, detailed description to slow the action.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by senthil_rajasek »

iamdave wrote: post #258
senthil_rajasek wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In popular American usage recede is not associated with hairline. People with receding hairline are not marginalized by society. Now "bitch" that's offensive. Edit: spell correct.

Words have meaning. Words have power. This much is not in debate, as far as I'm concerned (so far). Where I have to take pause is taking one usage (however derogatory) of a word and applying to every meaning and usage regardless of what the context actually is as some manifestation of virtue signalling. At this point we may as well throw out language, diction and rhetoric entirely as any word and phrase can be twiste…

By quoting Seinfeld you are showing that you are living in the past.

You are also trivialising the real suffering and daily struggles of mentally handicapped people by comparing it to the "struggle" of bald people.

Once again "bitch" is an offensive word.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by iN7h33nD »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #199

"Phase shift varies with frequency and can advance or retard as the frequency changes" I looked up Webster's American English Thesaurus and the antonym for 'advance' in the sense that it's used in your sentence is recede. Here is the same sentence rewritten using recede. "Phase shift varies with frequency and can advance or recede as the frequency changes." This is an easy case where you could have used correct langu…

Why should anyone censor themselves? Hiding from things that offend you is not a good way to live your life. Why should I care if some people don't like the word "retard" or "damn" or any other curse word? If you are saying it at someone in a mean way than yeah, I could see that not being OK, but censoring yourself in everyday conversation on the off chance that somebody might get offended it a terrible thing to do.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by nolite »

AWildDHHAppears wrote: post #111

Interesting. For projects that don't need a "community" we've been using Amazon CodeCommit. We don't like to use Github anymore because of the politics there. Example: We had a project involving software filters that included this sentence in the description: > Phase is related to time, but a pure time delay does not involve any phase shift. A pure time delay or "group delay" is constant with frequency. Phase shift v…

I'm offended by her stupidity.. Can I flag her?
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