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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by cylinder »

dangjc wrote: post #95

It's amazing that such deep constitutional change will be achieved with such a slim majority. 48% of British people will be ejected out of the EU essentially against their will. The UK has always embraced first past the post voting, but it really shows here how it creates very discontinuous inflection points.

Remains to be seen what "leave" really means. All these things must still be voted on and negotiated in Parliament and with EU. My feeling is that it won't be as drastic once the dust settles. The elites in UK don't give up that easily.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by hkjgkjy »

Yhippa wrote: post #126
dangjc wrote: post #95

It's amazing that such deep constitutional change will be achieved with such a slim majority. 48% of British people will be ejected out of the EU essentially against their will. The UK has always embraced first past the post voting, but it really shows here how it creates very discontinuous inflection points.

This is the most shocking thing to me. It's almost non-negliible. It makes me feel slightly better about living in a republic like the US as opposed to a direct democracy.

It's not direct democracy though. If the people were to vote War/no war it would have been a different thing.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by ianai »

thewarrior wrote: post #242
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

I feel that the growth of Fascist sentiment worldwide can't possibly be a coincidence. Globalisation and it's benefits are being questioned. People are disappointed. Even this vote , is actually a vote of dissatisfaction against the status quo. They just managed to direct enough of that anger against the EU. I'd like to suggest the following three hypotheses and hear what you guys think : 1. As growth slows , liberal…

You could almost call it a referendum on Chinese domination.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by x0x0 »

mrb wrote: post #252
beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

"The EU needs the UK" Not true. It is the reverse because the UK runs a gigantic trade deficit: in 2014 they exported 472 billion USD, but imported 663 billion USD¹. In fact the UK is the second country in the world with the largest trade deficit (behind the US). A huge portions of UK's export go to Europe, therefore the EU has definitely more say when it comes to negotiating trade deals with the UK. I would be very…

That cuts both ways. Germany has used the EU to run a giant trade surplus, and if that arrangement blows up, so does their economy.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/balance-of-trade

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by misnome »

pbarnes_1 wrote: post #197
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

Scotland will leave the UK. Northern Ireland will unify with the Republic. FTSE 100 will open down 12-19%, which probably wipes out ISAs all over the place. This is history in the making. Decided by something like 1 million people as of right now. Just an absolute disaster.

I am curious why this was down voted? Slightly cynical, perhaps, but not completely disbelievable?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by johnchristopher »

thewarrior wrote: post #242
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

I feel that the growth of Fascist sentiment worldwide can't possibly be a coincidence. Globalisation and it's benefits are being questioned. People are disappointed. Even this vote , is actually a vote of dissatisfaction against the status quo. They just managed to direct enough of that anger against the EU. I'd like to suggest the following three hypotheses and hear what you guys think : 1. As growth slows , liberal…

I disagree with #2. The media have always said they are the gatekeeper (or the fourth power or any other labels) but it's a self assessment. Yellow press, tabloids, etc. feed off of extreme or stupid opinions that get labeled as `politically incorrect but true`. This becomes the visible mainstream discourse but time and time again elections and referendums show this is just opinions and sale driven editorial politics.

The Internet didn't break this dynamic, it's just another media in the end (regarding the press) with a louder audience for the same ideas. Moreover the fragmentation of countries into regions doesn't follow from that. It comes from national politics. National politics that just get votes and support from following point #1. And inevitably leads to a blaming game (they are a lot of Nigel across Europe).

I might be wrong and I don't have time to word my opinions like I would, sorry. Just my 2ç in the wee hour of morning.

Ah. Strikes everywhere in Belgium today.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by bigger_cheese »

Gatsky wrote: post #121

Yet another example that immigration policy trumps pretty well all other concerns. This has played out several times in Australia. 5% of the population suddenly voted for a nationalist candidate Pauline Hanson who came from nowhere, had no policies, no credibility and no clue just because she was against immigration. Major political parties took note that day, and since then they have in various roundabout ways adopt…

Pauline Hanson was elected in Queensland (North Eastern state) QLD has always had 'interesting' politics. Joh Bjelke-Petersen, Clive Palmer, Campbell Newman, Bob Katter etc. One Nation (her party) has done poorly almost everywhere else in the country.
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