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Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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Having lived in Long Island, NY and Boca Raton, FL I gotta say... I don't think I could leave the Bay Area. The weather, the geological features, the schools, the meetups, the job opportunities... all factors. But the biggest is that the people are truly interested in intellectual matters in a way that was not extant in the other places I've lived. My son is a programmer and nobody had a clue what he was talking abou…

>But the biggest is that the people are truly interested in intellectual matters in a way that was not extant in the other places I've lived. This is the way I feel in Boston. The cost of living (mainly housing prices) gets more ridiculous every year, but the intellectual and cultural environment make me want to stay. Most of my friends back home (deep South) are easily able to afford to buy decent homes, while I'm s…

Boston is an amazing city in terms of intellectual capital, no doubt due to its rich history and many universities in the area. The brutal winter and steep cost of living are what make it difficult for me to see myself living there long term; unlike NYC or SF where tech salaries tend to be at least somewhat adjusted for the cost of living, I noticed Boston tech salaries were only marginally higher than Atlanta's, while Boston has the third highest CoL after SF and NYC.

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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Anyone else alarmed that a doctor was leaving because the rent was too high? A doctor is one of the jobs that is expected to pay top dollar in American society. If a doctor can't make it in the Bay Area, who's going to cut your hair, serve your beer, or mow your lawn? If wages don't rise in line with skyrocketing living costs, then the only alternative is a permenantly impoverished underclass. People of the Bay Area:…

>>If wages don't rise in line with skyrocketing living costs, then the only alternative is a permenantly impoverished underclass.

If wages don't rise, people will migrate further reducing the supply to a point it won't easy for normal people to live their normal lives. Then the next round of migration will happen and so on.. until there won't be enough people to rent to and then the rents will come down.

The worse, the better. Let the rents go up until it all collapses on itself.

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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Anyone else alarmed that a doctor was leaving because the rent was too high? A doctor is one of the jobs that is expected to pay top dollar in American society. If a doctor can't make it in the Bay Area, who's going to cut your hair, serve your beer, or mow your lawn? If wages don't rise in line with skyrocketing living costs, then the only alternative is a permenantly impoverished underclass. People of the Bay Area:…

btw, how much do doctors (specifically primary care physicians) make in the Bay Area? They don't get bonuses nor stock, just base salary right?

May be that is the reason they are moving out!

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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When people saying housing costs are out of control in California, really they mean the bay area. Every other part of the state is no worse than anywhere else.

It's just as bad down here in LA. Six figure incomes get eaten up pretty fast by rent/mortgage and taxes.

Yes. Real estate is surprisingly expensive up and down most of the coastal band from La Jolla to Mendocino.

Even in lower density places like Encinitas, Carlsbad, Buellton, San Luis Obispo, Paso Robles, Half Moon Bay ... Sebastopol.

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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Looking to get out as well, Broward/Miami area is overcrowded and pricey, not to mention poorly educated. Lucky enough to work for a company that will allow me to go remote - can anyone recommend a place on the east coast? (preferably warm climate)

Blacksburg Virginia?

I loved Blacksburg. But due to my rebellious, student nature I told the Montgomery county sheriff I'd never come back to that place. I'd hate to have to break a promise.

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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I move around and travel a lot for work - I've lived in 4 states in the last 2 years (CO, WA, CA, TX) - and one of the universal things across all the midwest and west coast that I've found is that while most people like the weather/scenery in California EVERYONE hates people from California, except for the people in California. I've heard the saying "California would be great if it wasn't for the people" in literall…

Is there anyone FROM California anymore? I'm guessing that sentiment comes from the type that are attracted to the entertainment industry.

Yes. Millions and millions.

Just curious: if you work in the tech industry, is your impression that the tech industry in CA is populated mostly by people who came from outside the state?

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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My wife and I spent a year in the Bay Area (San Mateo), and there was a lot to love. Great weather, awesome farmers markets, plenty of work, etc. But holly cow was it expensive! My rent was around $2000/month. I had a co-worker living in SF proper who's apartment was $4500/month. And that was 4-5 years ago, it's probably gone up by now. After a year, we moved back to Ohio - I now have a good-sized house on nearly an…

I would expect if you had chosen to grind it out in the Bay Area, you could have retired in Ohio even sooner. But if you wanted to retire where you're working, yeah, it ain't gonna happen at 45 in the Bay Area. Did you do the comparison at the time? Just curious. Part of what makes it work out here for me is that the cost of living means savings scale that much faster. But I have no idea where I'm going to retire.

You might be right. The move back was more for family reasons than money, but the money did work very well. (I kept my California salary and just started working remote. I've since switched jobs, gotten a 20% raise, and still stayed remote.)

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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I know what you're trying to do, but its not going to work ;). Texas is about as interesting as you can get, especially if you live in Austin. The housing costs are not ridiculous (yet), you can live in decent house near downtown, COL is low, no state taxes etc. Quite a wonderful state, especially if you're young and in tech. BTW, there is also a vibrant live music scene. And also a lot of theater and art. Did I ment…

Just pray you don't end up on the wrong side of the law (to be fair, the same could be said of CA).

> the same could be said of CA

I don't think anyone would want to spend time in a typical CA prison or jail. Overcrowding, violence, gangs, insufficient medical care, etc.

LA County has had some well publicized problems with sheriff's department guards severely beating handcuffed inmates. It's probably not a place you want to visit.

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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No one is denying the beauty, and adventures that await in California, that's why people live there. The issue here is what the original article is all about. When it becomes a grind just to live there, you can't even enjoy what makes it so awesome to be there.

This. I've lived in Los Angeles almost my whole life. I visited the beach maybe once in the last 5 years. Why? Because to do so, you have to be willing to sit in at least 1-1.5 hours of traffic. When you get there, at least 30 min to find parking. There are simply too many people in CA at this point to enjoy anything it offers. Leaving the house for me means waiting (in traffic, lines, for parking, etc).

>There are simply too many people in CA at this point to enjoy anything it offers.

The problem you describe does not get enough attention. The state and local governments have seriously mismanaged growth over the last half a century or so. The individual person's quality of life has truly been diminished in the way you describe.

Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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I have worked at two separate companies where they differ, typically 10-13% delta from what I remember...

Which makes the remote position much higher paid basically.

Yeah, cost of living in the bay area is likely much more than 10-13% of other places.
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