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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by ohnomrbill » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:10 PM UTC

specialk wrote: post #213

yaakov34 wrote: post #176

She certainly doesn't say "only white" and she explicitly excludes white women ("some of the biggest barriers to progress"). You can make convoluted excuses for her, but it's obvious that she sees white people (of whatever gender or socioeconomic status) as essentially enemies, and doesn't want them as allies (let alone is willing to accept some of them as people with different, but valid opinions). It's not acceptab…

There is a subtle irony in your comment. I think it is interesting to tease out because much of the arguments on diversity come from one's own perspective. So, if you'll indulge me, your argument is essentially 'us vs them' is a bad thing. About right? If so, I agree. We're not going to solve an exclusionary tech culture by excluding people or creating two sides to a debating war. But what strikes me is that your com…

Who cares if he didn't mention her by name? I refer to my own mother using pronouns sometimes - it's a feature of the English language. What about using pronouns in place of a proper name is problematic to you?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by smileysteve » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:10 PM UTC

bhvit wrote: post #16

the_ancient wrote: post #6

I Hope to see GitLab, and other Truly Open Systems, replace GitHub as the go to place for source control

I used bitbucket for a long time because it did the job and it provided private repos. But after I had to start looking for another job, many employers wanted to see my github profile.

Doesn't entirely solve the problem. But you could use multiple remotes. Still gives github power in terms of forks and stars, but your commits can be in many places. (and you can decide to do issues where you want)

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by coderjames » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:11 PM UTC

obelisk_ wrote: post #232

jsksma2 wrote: post #220

Bring on the suits! While GH is busy distracting their world-class engineers with B.S. reverse-racism meetings, they will successfully free up their equity pool for more suit hires. That should suck the life out real quick... Goodbye revolutionary, forward-thinking work culture & hierarchy (meritocracy). You will be gravely missed. Good luck hiring sub-par engineers for the next 2 years and watching your data centers…

Well, what are the alternatives? Hosted: Bitbucket, GitLab Self-hosted: GitLab, Gogs None of these come close to GitHub in my experience.

Now you can self-host BitBucket also with BitBucket Server[1]. We're starting a migration to it at my work right now.

[1] https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dhimes » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:11 PM UTC

yoodenvranx wrote: post #140

cjcole wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That categorization ("blatant racist") will sadly tend to produce an endless argument over who can and can't be racist. That's fruitless. More accurately, that statement is both anti-white and misandrist, almost by definition, by equating white plus male with damage.

> an endless argument over who can and can't be racist It blows my mind that some people really believe that only white people can be racist. It's like they completely redefined the meaning of the word "racist".

Maybe Github's words and deeds will result in a lawsuit by "white people" and we'll get this legally settled.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jgalt212 » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:11 PM UTC

>Some of these folks may be hanging out until GitHub offers some kind of "liquidity event" — a way for longtime employees or investors to sell some of their shares — which one person believes could take place soon. (A GitHub spokesperson refused comment on that.)

This event is not likely to come any time soon because Andreessen Horowitz bid the price up so high.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by eecks » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:11 PM UTC

bitL wrote: post #139

Seems like another instance of "let the nerds build a company and then take over"...

Just out of interest, what are other examples of this?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by mjbh7k » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:12 PM UTC

morgante wrote: post #227

mjbh7k wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- "This is not work for white folks to lead" Well, it's not. It's kind of missing the point if your diversity initiative is being run by white people. - "Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women" Second wave feminism, largely led by white women, often leaves out women of color. I mentioned this below, but the publishing industry is 79% white and 78% female. This has a huge impact on the types of stori…

> but the publishing industry is 79% white and 78% female The US is 77.7% of the US population. I hardly think that a 2% imbalance is an issue to create divisiveness over. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_State...

"The US is 77.7% of the US population"

I think you mean 77.7% white? It should be noted that the census counts North African and Middle Eastern as white, which is inaccurate. That number also drops to 62.6% when you take out Hispanics that describe themselves as white. So it's probably more like a 20 point difference than 2.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by Karunamon » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:12 PM UTC

iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

It's... quite heartening, to see HN call out the blatantly anti-equality messaging highlighted in this article, and to not have it buried at the bottom of the page.

Lots of unsourced speculation as to what's going on behind the scenes, but I wonder if a few years from now, we'll all look back at the day they decided to throw out meritocracy (symbolically, as the rug, and realistically, as the reorganization) as the beginning of the end...

Aside: I'm getting rather tired of being downvoted and nobody bothering to at least explain why.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by ceejayoz » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:14 PM UTC

yoodenvranx wrote: post #146

akavlie wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly you haven't been apprised of the current rules. Hatred of white males is categorically not racism, because they have all the power.

I am a young white male with no money, no job and bad health. Can I please have some of this mysterious magic power I am supposed to have?

You're setting up a straw man here.

No one talking about white privilege says it means white people can't ever have a tough life. Just as being black doesn't mean you can't ever be successful.

It's simply argued that if all other things were equal, chances are you'd have it harder as a minority.

As an example: http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

> a white name yields as many more [job] callbacks as an additional eight years of experience

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by at-fates-hands » Sat, Feb 06, 2016, 9:15 PM UTC

speeder wrote: post #243

ta140604 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's becoming the norm in some communities. For example, Mozilla/Rust has a lot of people like that, and one of the core team members has contributed to #hnwatch Twitter tag linked below. People from that circle were proposing the idea of creating 'black lists' to make people unemployable for political reasons; they managed to get Brendan Eich expelled from Mozilla; they're pushing for "Codes of conducts", which agai…

I have on my Facebook lots of feminist friends. One thing they frequently claim, is that they are NOT censoring anything, people are free to do whatever they want. Yet they keep pushing for this behaviour (black listing people that disagree with feminism, nagging companies until they decide to not launch products in some markets because fear of feminist backlash, and so on). I honestly don't see how they don't notice…

>> I honestly don't see how they don't notice how illogical their position are.

I have a friend on Twitter who's a raging feminist. I asked her if she was concerned about Carly Fiorina being excluded from the GOP debate since she was the only woman and actually had more votes in the Iowa caucus than two other male candidates who they kept in the debate.

Her response was that she never cared about any GOP candidate. It just makes no sense to me. If you're for women's rights, then it shouldn't matter what race, religion or political party someone is, in order to support them - they're women, and should be supported regardless.