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Apple’s declining software quality

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Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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As a very casual Apple user (ie I don't own any devices but I sometimes uses my girlfriend imac/macbook), I would say that this has been my opinion for a couple of years now. Pretty much everytime I use OSX or an iphone I run into bugs, as a short list from the top of my memory: - iphone screen turning black with siri enabled and repeating that she couldn't hear what I said or something like that - closing lid on mac…

It is even worse every time Apple pushes out a major iOS release.

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There's just no way in hell Steve Jobs would be putting up with this and I wish he was alive to tear some people a new one. I didn't like Jobs but respect his ability to achieve things. Perhaps, the years of oversimplifying applications has created an Apple that can't handle complex applications? Or, there's a chicken and egg question: XCode and the surrounding tools are atrociously buggy and hostile to the developer…

A lot of awful software shipped under Steve Jobs. X Code has always been a buggy mess, iTunes bloated greatly under Steve (remember Ping?), iMovie '08, etc etc.

Don't forget early OS X. So slow it was nearly unusable until performance improvements in 10.3.

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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Agree on all the items. Not just Apple, I see similar issues with Google. Google's Youtube IOS app has issue playing video correctly. It can't even buffer the segments correctly. Google latest Android Map crashes all the times 1-2 minutes into the navigation, extremely dangerous when I have to restart the navigate while driving. I can't depend on it at all. I have to roll back to the default factory install older ver…

Yeah, Google web apps must have some scary Javascript bloat going on. I remember when GMail was lightning fast; now it takes 5-10 seconds just to load the first page of my inbox and chat windows.

I've switched to the Basic HTML version full-time. It's way, way faster, even having to reload the entire page for most actions (remember when the whole point of AJAX was faster webpages?). I miss a few features, but it's not even close to being worth using the many-times-slower interface and associated higher system load to get those back. Some of those features (inline "track this package" links in Amazon emails in the mailbox view, for instance) shouldn't require javascript/AJAX at all, but are simply absent, which is frustrating, but again, it's still worth it.

Plus I can, you know, close the tab. One of the worst things about these enormous "javascript applications" is the high startup time (remember how much we hated Flash intros with loading screens?) that leads to leaving the tab open, which means that tab's disgustingly-high memory use is a constant rather than only occasional cost (I'm looking at you, Asana!)

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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Is it only their software? I don't really see their hardware as first class anymore either.

Looking at Apple laptops, the newest Intel processor I can get is a 5th gen Broadwell, and it's only in the 13" retina. The 15" retina has 4th gen Haswell. And the 13" pro? Some old processor from 2012. 6th gen Skylake is shipping everywhere from every other laptop manufacturer.

The 13" Macbook Air still has a sub-HD display. (1440x900) Yet, I can now get a 4K display on a Razer Blade Stealth with 100% Adobe RGB at a competitive price. Even their 'retina' laptops are low res by comparison.

The only hardware they have that looks reasonably impressive at the moment is the iMac 5K, but that's a desktop.

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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Accelerated growth and capex. I once saw a very nice chart about the number of users for a great, cool start-up everyone knows about. The CEO illustrated: "You see that inflexion point on the release day? That's what happens for every release. If we postpone it by 3 months, we not only lose 3 months of new customers (painting the 3-months area between lower and higher sales). We also miss on the offset." and he paint…

But their growth primarily comes from hardware, how much would OS X updates influence that growth? Their hardware from 2008 is running El Capitan, so there isn’t much persuasion for existing customers to upgrade. It seems like if someone is going to switch to Mac, they would do it regardless of any features introduced in the last 3-4 OS X releases. I don’t know, I’m not a sales guy. But it seems like the tradeoff of…

OSX updates are driven by iOS updates, which are the main revenue generators. Apple must release iOS every year to follow phone releases; OSX has to follow suit in order to support iOS "integration" features (Handoff, Photos etc etc).

Because release cycles are so short, test cycles are shorter as well; and of course new hardware is tested first (and foremost), so updates to older hardware will see more bugs, and updates are always buggier anyway (because it's harder for developers to predict the state of your system pre-migration).

I certainly see the yearly release cycle for OSX as being a big factor for the perceived fall in quality. In addition, there is probably a glut of "peak Air", people who switched to Mac when the Air was unrivalled and have not bought anything since. Their hardware is less and less tested with each update, so they're feeling the pinch. Apple don't care, because they want new money from them.

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Agreed. Everything is more complex. Web apps is each iteration harder.. Native App development too (for example, .NET xaml is far harder than winforms and it than VB/Delphi).

And most of this is unnecessary complexity.why haven't anybody came up with better tools to attack that ?

Adding more tools generally adds more complexity...

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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The decline seems real to me. A shortlist of things I've noticed: * Spotlight no longer finds things as easily. I used to use it for everything. Since updating to El Capitan, it has missed some exact match folders. Planning to switch to Alfred. * iWork was gutted in '13. People used to use Pages professionally. I'm now using Pages '09, and planning to transition to Word or Latex. I tested Pages '13 intensively, and i…

I lost several playlists with a recent ITunes update. Newer upgrades of iTunes have not helped.

Given how basic the concept of a playlist is to iTunes, I was surprised to find this was not fixed immediately.

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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The crash issues I had with google map was on Android. I check the reviews on Google Play Store, it is not just me or my Android devices, almost everyone had that crash issues at that time. I can't figure out how Google can release any software like that. Google can't blame IOS/Apple for that.

I suspect some of those crashes are hardware related. Anecdotal for sure, but Google Maps has been solid for me on Nexus devices.

Anecdotal * 2 = still anecdotal, but my 1st gen moto g has never given me any problems with Maps, other than being a little laggy from time to time.

Samsung?

Re: Apple’s declining software quality

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You don't use any of the default iPhone apps? I find that hard to believe. What about these: - calculator - camera - clock - contacts - messages - phone - photos - safari If you literally use none of these apps, I would be really surprised. Since we're sharing anecdotes: I've never had a problem with WiFi connectivity or Spotlight on El Capitan across multiple devices. I don't use iWork or Siri, so I can't speak to t…

I'm always baffled by heavy Calculator users, to be honest. I've never understood the popularity of dedicated calculator apps or widgets, on any platform. 90% of the time you can simply round numbers in your mind, and if precision is necessary for big numbers that's likely a job for Excel. Same for clock apps. Clock in your taskbar, sure; but who would ever start a dedicated clock app? I barely touch Contacts and alw…

> Same for clock apps.

That's where the alarm is, and personally I use it several times a day, to wake me up and to remember the occasional meeting or random events I would otherwise forget about.

I hate ios Photos, mostly because of the white backgrounds however.

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