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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by grp »

CountSessine wrote: post #127
grp wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, wars of religions are from the 16th century [1]. In 2015, it's probably more linked with the foreign affairs and military operations. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion

Many of the cultures inundating Europe now are from the 16th century and earlier. Maybe if you stumble onto some of these terrorists in Paris now, you can inform them that their cause is just oh-so démodé? You can let us know how that works out.

I don't think they need to be informed.

Crystallizing on the fact that every terrorists are muslims is like saying that most serial killers are on average 1m75 and each pedophile have one left foot and one right foot.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by yk »

rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

The point of terrorism is to provoke a reaction. To quote the German RAF terrorist Ulrike Meinhof on the subject: "A war 6 against 60 million can not be won. All we [the terrorist] can do, is to tear down the mask of democracy and expose the fascist face of the state." So what is damaging is not the terror itself, what damages the social fabric is the overreaction. Terrorists should just be tried like other criminals, not given the reaction they want.

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Post by _vufv »

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #26
jonesb6 wrote: post #14

For people in and around Paris right now the #PorteOuverte hash tag is being used to help shelter those who cannot make it home safely.

Be careful with that. This wouldn't be too hard: 1. Enter house claiming to need to go somewhere. 2. Kill everybody. 3. Move to next willing house and repeat.

This is the exact scenario I was worried about as well. Idea seems flawed security-wise; but then again in these kind of situations there is no real security.

I was wondering though if there are some creative ways to improve this initiative and make it more secure. Anyone has anything better than filtering eventual candidates to give shelter to according to rough "trustworthiness" of their Twitter account?

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Post by aikah »

rtpg wrote: post #186
aikah wrote: post #135

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> If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. @deanCommie Please, stop with the excuses , nobody marginalized anybody. The terrorists are not victims , the islamists are not…

>The wide majority of muslims in France are integrated Sooooo many studies have been done where the same resume gets shown to recruiters, except one has a French name and the other has an Arabic name. The results were an overwhelming amount of french resumes were chosen over the Arabic one. Not to mention constant issues like police harassment The issue of integration of purely the fault of a country that pretends th…

> Sooooo many studies have been done where the same resume gets shown to recruiters, except one has a French name and the other has an Arabic name. The results were an overwhelming amount of french resumes were chosen over the Arabic one. Not to mention constant issues like police harassment

Sure, but it doesn't make my point false. Is there some discrimination going on ? absolutely we need to fight it. Is it widespread absolutely not, I've been victim of racism in France because of the color of my skin , and you know what ? we have a lot of charities , organizations , and anti discrimination laws to fight against it. So what does it have to do with people killing 50+ innocents ? nothing.

And the racism I endured didn't make me want to join ISIS or some bullshit Islamist movement, because I knew that for every racist ahole there are 10 000 people that are not and don't care about the color of my skin.

But people like the OP and their "oppressor/oppressed" mindset are just giving excuses to the crazies , but there is no excuse , there is no explanation other than the terrorists a f.ed up and part of a death cult.

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Post by tomatioaz »

jacquesm wrote: post #235
tomatioaz wrote: post #193

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A French news channel, BFMTV, reported that an attacker shouted Allahu akbar.

I don't doubt that. But that still does not mean that being a Muslim has anything to do with it. In fact, even if it turns out that all of the attackers were Muslims then that still holds true. How that works I'll leave as an exercise for you to work out but let's just say that the basis of a solution to this whole problem is somewhere in there and that I strongly believe that it starts with a complete lack of genera…

I don't feel sorry for individuals that take up arms against me. Every individual is responsible for his or her actions.

This goes far beyond "shared traits". They organize against us with a dogmatic reverence for violence known as radical Islam, and your dogmatic tolerance for it allows it to metastasize.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

pyrrhotech wrote: post #212
Houshalter wrote: post #206

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Only because people let it. There is little danger form actual terrorism, but there is massive danger from people's reactions to terrorism.

I think you'd feel differently if you had a loved one in the towers on 9/11

He might feel differently. He's still right that the overreaction causes more damage than the terrorist attack did.

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Post by yourepowerless »

colund wrote: post #151
muzmath wrote: post #109

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Destabilizing countries with mass murder turns citizens into terrorist sympathizers.

I think terrorism is a far greater contributor to destabilizing countries than anti-terrorism attacks.

Syria? Iraq? Are you the Platonic cave dweller?

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by cballard »

cataflam wrote: post #117
cballard wrote: post #57

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How, physically? Do borders really... exist in the Schengen Zone? Like, how do they shut this down? https://www.google.com/maps/place/France/@49.5467828,5.43629...

It's possible even with Schengen. A clause in the Schengen convention (in article 2.2) authorizes states to reinstate border checks in exceptional circumstances. > Where there is a serious threat to public policy or internal security, these countries may exceptionally reintroduce border controls at its internal borders for a period of no more than 30 days (possible to prolong under conditions established by the code)…

No, I get that it's legal. But there's no... border. In the map link I posted, you wouldn't be able to tell half of the satellite view was Belgium without Google telling you that's the case.

How do you close that down, especially in the middle of the night? The US can't even do it in places with a wall.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by guelo »

rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

I'm disappointed that people always use tragedies to try to censor other opinions.
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