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Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by cwyers »

Aissen wrote: post #112
cwyers wrote: post #99

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Windows RT is deader than dead; they're the only thing Microsoft makes that isn't getting Windows 10. Lumias that AT&T sell for $50 off contract? Windows 10. Xbox One? Windows 10. Okay, I guess they still sell the 360 and it's not getting Windows 10. Everything else? Windows 10. But not Windows RT. (Windows 10 Mobile will be allowed onto tablets, but not ones above a certain screen size, so RT isn't able to get that,…

Wondering if it's not a rebranding: with Windows 10 running on raspberry pi, what's the catch ? Are they simply abandoning the 9+inch tablet ARM devices?

Microsoft has cut down to basically three versions of Windows that they admit to:

* Windows 10 IoT, which runs x86 and ARM, and is the one that runs on the Raspberry Pi.

* Windows 10 Mobile, which replaces Windows Phone 8, and I believe is also x86 and ARM, for devices under a certain screen size. No desktop, runs the Windows Universal versions of Office.

* Windows 10, which replaces Windows 8 for desktop, and runs only on x86. Has a desktop and runs both versions of Office, desktop and Universal.

RT slotted between Mobile and the full Windows -- it had a desktop, but only for a special ARM version of Office. Now there's a version of Office for Windows Universal, and so you can run Office without the desktop. Thus, the version of Windows with a desktop that can't run any non-Office desktop apps is geting killed. You can either get Windows 10 Mobile without desktop, or full Windows.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by Dylan16807 »

cwyers wrote: post #151
sz4kerto wrote: post #85

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Off topic, but karma is useless and you should not care -- standing by your opinion is worth more than imaginary internet points.

I really wish there was a feature in HN that didn't let you delete a comment after a certain time, or maybe just after it had been up/downvoted or been replied to. It makes a lot of conversations hard to follow when people delete their comments in a fit of pique after they get downvoted, and I have to guess what the replies are in response to.

You can't delete when the edit time expires, but that's a very generous timer.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by joshuapants »

georgemcbay wrote: post #224
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I strongly agree with this. The keyboard is great. Having a choice of keyboards is also great. However Microsoft makes the keyboard a core part of this device (both literally, and in adverts) so to me there should be no scenario where it doesn't ship with one. They should just set the price at $599 and include the keyboard. At least it is an "out the door" price then, not $500 with a hidden $100 tack-on.

Seems like they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. They attempted to make the Kinect sensor a core part of the Xbox One (including making it central in their advertising, etc) but eventually bowed to pressure to unbundle it in order to sell a $100-cheaper SKU.

A keyboard is a bit more fundamental to a computing experience than a hardly-used peripheral is to a gaming experience.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by Amezarak »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #249
Amezarak wrote: post #181

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> Well, no luck, WinRT's closed policies won't allow that (and it's not a technical issue.). It's true that Microsoft doesn't allow alternative rendering engines on WinRT, but it is ARM instead of x86, so there is a technical component; Google would have to port Chrome.

Port? Android, ChromeOS... Arm is a first-class compile target.

Yes, in theory. What a blessing it would be if cross-compatibility was always as simple as "recompile with this as the target."

That doesn't mean you can take Chromium for Windows and recompile targeting ARM and get something that works on jailbroken WinRT. As best as I can tell nobody has gotten Chromium running, but they have gotten many other x86 applications running.

People have already tried. There's more work than that involved.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by joshuapants »

yAak wrote: post #240
melling wrote: post #79

Wish they could have gone with the new USB standard. These form factors would really benefit from it. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8377/usb-typec-connector-speci...

I agree, if only because I want adoption of that new connector type to spread quickly. But given that it only has one USB port, I'm not surprised that Microsoft chose not to ship something that would basically require an adapter. I imagine they are shaving pennies to keep cost down without giving up quality, but I wonder what the added cost would be to have two USB ports? (And how much extra the new USB parts would c…

Perhaps space was more of a concern than cost?

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by kaolinite »

rickyc091 wrote: post #152
mikeash wrote: post #118

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I don't think the MacBook [Pro] is a flattering comparison. Apple is rapidly falling away from their traditional simple and obvious product lines, and the current MacBook lineup is extremely confusing to a lot of people.

Apple actually makes a good way of differentiating the products on their site ( http://store.apple.com/us/mac/compare ). On top of that their sales people will generally ask you what your purpose for the laptop is as to not oversell you on something you don't need.

My dad went into an Apple Store intending to spend £1000 on a MacBook. He ended up coming home with a £400 iPad which suited his needs better (and which he loves). I couldn't respect the sales staff more for that.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by pckspcks »

Well, I'm not getting one for three reasons:

1. The laptop sometimes sits on my lap. The surface keyboard doesn't work as a laptop.

2. The resolution is a joke.

3. There is no sane pen storage. For a pen device, that's dumb. Thinkpads add a few mm, and have a hole you put it in which stores it securely. There's a move to move everything out of the device to make it small, but carrying around 50 gizmos is worse than one slightly bigger gizmo.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by eropple »

RaleyField wrote: post #223
eropple wrote: post #74

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Did you consider that, instead of a hive mind or something silly like that, your post was just overreaching and insulting in its phrasing? I mean, you might recall that I jumped in on that Amazon thread when somebody was calling you a liar. And I downvoted you here, because you were extrapolating your personal feelings to the market at large and kind of being a dink about it. (And, seriously, Steve Jobs on styluses c…

One of these days Apple will come with a stylus of their own and will deem it revolutionary for anyone taking notes and everyone would then want it. I'm still waiting for A4 sized tablets. > Steve Jobs on styluses can get bent Steve Jobs also sought alternative medicine for his cancer, so it's not as if he is some repository of universal truths. And I think locking iPad into media appliance role has to do with them n…

I can respect that. I use Windows where I have to; I do game dev in a Windows VM (so I can still use a laptop that feels good, I haven't found good Windows hardware). The SP3 isn't a good substitute for that for me, because it's been impossible to find a keyboard/trackpad for it that isn't jokey. The Type Cover isn't a terrible keyboard, but songs could be written about what garbage the trackpad is and so I strictly reserve the SP3 for things where I don't need to type (or at home, where I have a passable BT keyboard that I wouldn't want to carry around the rest of the day).

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by hansjorg »

dv35z wrote: post #144
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I don't know about you but all I do all day is constantly click the keyboard on and off, and open/close the kick stand... Just over and over again, like I am a QA robot... But seriously, Microsoft has some of the worst advertising period. I cannot think of a major company which is worse than Microsoft at advertising in general.

Are there any more cringe-worthy than Songsmith? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E

Maybe I'm getting old, but that wasn't as cringey as I remember it.

And the program actually seems pretty cool and hi-tech. Crank up the jazz-slider!

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