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Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Post by danielweber »

ddoolin wrote: post #241
danielweber wrote: post #82

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I'm in Charlotte and I have two ISPs, and neither of them gives me any data cap or any problem watching 2 Netflix streams. My neighborhood has buried cable, so I don't know if the fiber will come to my house.

Does buried cable somehow mean we can't get fiber? We also have buried cable. I thought most of Charlotte had it.

It's harder than just stringing up new wire to the poles.

I honestly don't know how much work it is to add to the buried cable. If you have to go dig up each piece of conduit, that would royally freaking suck. Maybe there are access tunnels where they can use strings or something to yank the cable through. I would love to hear more about this.

And honestly, fibre to my cul-de-sac would probably be good enough for me.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Post by drawkbox »

rkalla wrote: post #57
AndyNemmity wrote: post #52

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My friend just got the gigabit service, first area to get it. So jealous. The price isn't even all that high.

In Phoenix/Scottsdale? What are the major cross streets near him? How much? I'm down near Tatum & Cactus.

In Chandler, which was the first city in AZ to get broadband in the 90s, we are very jealous of Tempe, Scottsdale and Phoenix getting both Google Fiber love and Cox love due to that competition.

Cox probably cares about Chandler even less now it has competition to deal with, we'll be last to get 1Gbps Gigablast that suddenly was announced when Google Fiber picked Phoenix.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Post by snowwrestler »

rayiner wrote: post #206
snowwrestler wrote: post #196

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Regulatory capture doesn't have to mean literal corruption. It can cover situations where governments acting on their own and in good faith, assume the status quo and grandfather incumbents. It might not even be on purpose, but rather the logical consequence of a distaste for laws and regulations with retroactive effects. But the end result is the same: legal obligations that impact new players more than old. So the…

The "capture" part of the phrase necessarily means corruption. It's where incumbents control the regulatory process to keep competitors out. Unintended consequences from regulation is not "capture." In every city I've studied, incumbents are bound by the same requirement to build-out their network as potential competitors. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but the only one that comes to mind is Google Fiber: the…

If all the ISPs have to meet the same build-out requirements then I agree that that is not regulatory capture. Thanks.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Post by skeeterbug »

rkalla wrote: post #57
AndyNemmity wrote: post #52

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My friend just got the gigabit service, first area to get it. So jealous. The price isn't even all that high.

In Phoenix/Scottsdale? What are the major cross streets near him? How much? I'm down near Tatum & Cactus.

Woah. I am at 40th st and Cactus. No gigabit here yet. Last time I had a tech out he was saying this area gets newer stuff quicker because we are so close to North Scottsdale.

EDIT North Scottsdale is generally first because that is where most of the company execs live.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Post by rkalla »

skeeterbug wrote: post #254
rkalla wrote: post #57

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In Phoenix/Scottsdale? What are the major cross streets near him? How much? I'm down near Tatum & Cactus.

Woah. I am at 40th st and Cactus. No gigabit here yet. Last time I had a tech out he was saying this area gets newer stuff quicker because we are so close to North Scottsdale. EDIT North Scottsdale is generally first because that is where most of the company execs live.

We are practically neighbors - crazy.

We are in this weird vortex of 'new stuff' - I grew up in PV where we got Cox Cable (5mb down, 5mb up) back in what must have been 1995 - the weird thing is that the sheer volume of customers in PV is so low (big/sprawling houses) that the quality of the infrastructure there is crappy - my parents are still there and have a Cable/Phone/Internet outage probably once a week.

Just north where we live, I think we are right in the middle of everything because even during that huge AZ/CO outage a few days ago - PV was blacked out and we had no impact.

I think we are in the bermuda triangle of broadband in Phoenix.

I don't question it, I just appreciate it and thank whichever god is in charge of these sorts of things.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Post by nitrogen »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #234
jpatokal wrote: post #214

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Access to the Internet is increasingly viewed as a right and/or an essential service. Access to overpriced handbags, not so much. Providing health care to the destitute isn't profitable either; doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

> Access to the Internet is increasingly viewed as a right and/or an essential service. Access to overpriced handbags, not so much. Clothes are seen as essentials in Western society. Luxury brands, not so much. Yet access to internet and access to cutting-edge broadband are treated similarly by regulators in the U.S. That's the asymmetry.

...access to internet and access to cutting-edge broadband...

At the pace technology advances, there's not so much difference between the two. Since companies are still constantly pushing the limits of technology, the majority of the benefits of connectivity come at the higher end of the bandwidth spectrum.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Post by rayiner »

nitrogen wrote: post #256
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #234

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> Access to the Internet is increasingly viewed as a right and/or an essential service. Access to overpriced handbags, not so much. Clothes are seen as essentials in Western society. Luxury brands, not so much. Yet access to internet and access to cutting-edge broadband are treated similarly by regulators in the U.S. That's the asymmetry.

...access to internet and access to cutting-edge broadband... At the pace technology advances, there's not so much difference between the two. Since companies are still constantly pushing the limits of technology, the majority of the benefits of connectivity come at the higher end of the bandwidth spectrum.

I disagree. Almost all of the "internet as a human right" uses of technology are at the lower end of the bandwidth spectrum: e-mail, job applications, Wikipedia, etc. 95% of what's socially valuable on the internet can be done with HTML 2.0.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham

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Post by wanderingstan »

xeromal wrote: post #27
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #10

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That's what happened when GMail offered 2 GB inboxes. The competition got serious.

I completely forgot about that. I remember having some POS 100Mb account with hotmail and upgrading to Gmail was a godsend. I think I bought an invite on ebay.

100mb?! I remember hotmail slowly reducing the mailbox capacity to like 20mb by the time gmail appeared.

A friend and I did a big trip to Southeast Asia and he begged his friends on email not to Include his email in their responses to save space on the server.

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