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I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by Dylan16807 »

moutarde wrote: post #229
Dylan16807 wrote: post #157

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>Do I even need to mention the "geek girl" bullshit? The thing is, the 'geek girl' stereotype is something that almost never happens, but as far as I understand it the stereotypical hipster is not uncommon. It is possible to 'like' something the wrong way: namely where you do not actually like it. Hipster hate isn't about being different, it's about a perception of dishonest attention-seeking.

> Hipster hate isn't about being different, it's about a perception of dishonest attention-seeking. Isn't this the same justification that's used to shame the "pseudo" geek girls?

The justification is not the problem, it's the targets. People will give that excuse even when it's a blatant lie.

As far as I am aware, the discussion of 'fake geek girls' has mostly come from MRA-types that spend most of their time failing to see women as people. So any particular instance of 'fake geek girl' is almost certainly the commenter being an ass and wrong. But, again, as far as I am aware, there are no large groups going around being 'anti-hipster' in situations where it doesn't fit. So instances of being 'anti-hipster' are often accurate.

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Post by webhat »

pyrocat wrote: post #161
agentultra wrote: post #94

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This is going to sound inflammatory but I basically consider anyone younger than around 25 to be functionally insane . They're in a period in their life where they seriously believe that they cannot spend the rest of their lives with someone who doesn't have the same taste in music as they do. You're busy cultivating a sense of identity, I get it. But more often than not you grow up and find yourself in love with som…

Ageism is dumb, and I rally against it now as an adult as much as I did when I was 15. > "but I seriously haven't really heard someone over the age of 30 or so make snarky remarks about how so-and-so is such a hipster douchebag" Maybe that's because you surround yourself with people who have similar outlooks? That doesn't mean that all people over 30 are above high school bullshit. And it certainly doesn't mean that…

I also think ageism is dumb, however the age - 25 - that he mentioned isn't an arbitrary cut off point.

There have been studies, such as by the National Institutes of Health that show that "the part of the brain that restrains risky behavior, including reckless driving, and thinking skills is not fully developed until the age of 25." Meaning the Frontal Lobe and Prefrontal cortex have not yet matured until 25, that's the area of the brain area responsible for planning, prioritizing and controlling impulses.

There is an amount of truth in this.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044371370457760...

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by bashinator »

brianpgordon wrote: post #238
xvolter wrote: post #136

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The article mentions Reddit being the place where C.D. Hermelin was textually abused for being a hipster; or more accurately, accused of being a hipster solely because he was using a typewriter. Reddit is the only place where the internet nerds in discussion come from. Reddit however is not made up of internet nerds. Reddit is made up of average joes who know enough about computers to register at facebook and reddit.…

Reddit is a heterogeneous collection of wildly different subreddits. Some subreddits (/r/pics, /r/funny, /r/WTF) are "average" as you described, but others have different demographics.

For example, I would hardly call the typical user of /r/TalesFromYourServer to be a 20-25 year old male STEM-educated nerd.

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Post by dwd »

webhat wrote: post #252
pyrocat wrote: post #161

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Ageism is dumb, and I rally against it now as an adult as much as I did when I was 15. > "but I seriously haven't really heard someone over the age of 30 or so make snarky remarks about how so-and-so is such a hipster douchebag" Maybe that's because you surround yourself with people who have similar outlooks? That doesn't mean that all people over 30 are above high school bullshit. And it certainly doesn't mean that…

I also think ageism is dumb, however the age - 25 - that he mentioned isn't an arbitrary cut off point. There have been studies, such as by the National Institutes of Health that show that "the part of the brain that restrains risky behavior, including reckless driving, and thinking skills is not fully developed until the age of 25." Meaning the Frontal Lobe and Prefrontal cortex have not yet matured until 25, that's…

I would believe it's more to do with the degree to which a person's identity is externalised. As soon as someone doesn't have the same taste in music, clothes, lifestyle - then it is an attack on them personally. I don't think it necessarily lessens with age rather shifts to other things like postcode envy.

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Post by petsos »

bashinator wrote: post #253
brianpgordon wrote: post #238

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Reddit is a heterogeneous collection of wildly different subreddits. Some subreddits (/r/pics, /r/funny, /r/WTF) are "average" as you described, but others have different demographics.

For example, I would hardly call the typical user of /r/TalesFromYourServer to be a 20-25 year old male STEM-educated nerd.

I'm going to guess that this was not posted in /r/TalesFromYourServer. The mere fact that it attracted so many comments means that it was posted on one of the "average" reddits.

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Post by rapind »

webhat wrote: post #252
pyrocat wrote: post #161

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Ageism is dumb, and I rally against it now as an adult as much as I did when I was 15. > "but I seriously haven't really heard someone over the age of 30 or so make snarky remarks about how so-and-so is such a hipster douchebag" Maybe that's because you surround yourself with people who have similar outlooks? That doesn't mean that all people over 30 are above high school bullshit. And it certainly doesn't mean that…

I also think ageism is dumb, however the age - 25 - that he mentioned isn't an arbitrary cut off point. There have been studies, such as by the National Institutes of Health that show that "the part of the brain that restrains risky behavior, including reckless driving, and thinking skills is not fully developed until the age of 25." Meaning the Frontal Lobe and Prefrontal cortex have not yet matured until 25, that's…

Those studies are obviously flawed based on the anecdotal evidence that I was well into my 30s before becoming even passably mature.

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Post by jlgreco »

webhat wrote: post #252
pyrocat wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ageism is dumb, and I rally against it now as an adult as much as I did when I was 15. > "but I seriously haven't really heard someone over the age of 30 or so make snarky remarks about how so-and-so is such a hipster douchebag" Maybe that's because you surround yourself with people who have similar outlooks? That doesn't mean that all people over 30 are above high school bullshit. And it certainly doesn't mean that…

I also think ageism is dumb, however the age - 25 - that he mentioned isn't an arbitrary cut off point. There have been studies, such as by the National Institutes of Health that show that "the part of the brain that restrains risky behavior, including reckless driving, and thinking skills is not fully developed until the age of 25." Meaning the Frontal Lobe and Prefrontal cortex have not yet matured until 25, that's…

So does this have much to do with calling people "hipster" in a disparaging way? And why "hipster", but seemingly not other insults (which >25 year olds certainly still make)?

He's just yelling at kids to get off his lawn and lacks the self-awareness to pay attention to who's lawn he is standing on while he does it. There aren't any deep truths hidden in his comment.

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Post by l33tbro »

HIPSTERS ARE A MADE UP GROUP - POSSIBLY BY THE GOVERNMENT AND MI-5!!!

Sorry for the crazy-person all-caps, but this thing really crunches my Funyuns. Hipsters are a totally made-up label to brand people with that are into different shit. Would we have called Dylan a hipster (in the derogatory sense, not the beatnik sense)? What about Steve Jobs in the early days? Shoot, even Woz wore some pretty ironic bow-ties (definite hipster).

What's also a gas is that all these "hipster bashers" are so heck-darn defensive of mainstream culture. We all acknowledge that Walmart is a shithole. We all agree McDonalds is feeding garbage into our souls. So why are people so darn defensive about people who are trying to explore different things.

The "hipster" label is a sickeningly old cliche. Seriously. So-called "hipster-bashing" has been going on for 10 years now (it all started with 'the hipster handbook'. I've never really got it either. I mean, people don't actively go out and go "right, I'm going to be a hipster". Like the amazing roaming typist, these people are just interested in different things.

In my opinion, these "hipster bashers" are people that are just so obviously insecure about their own lives. Why bash others, just because you can't step out of your box.

Then again - maybe the definition of a hipster is someone who does actively embrace the attributes of this made-up subculture to form an identity - without understanding the depths of what they are appropriating. I must say, I have not met anyone like this. Hence, why I think hipsters don't exist.

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Post by l33tbro »

lmm wrote: post #234
EvanKelly wrote: post #164

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What's wrong with enjoying the feeling of being counterculture? This whole anti-hipster sentiment is so bizarre to me. It's all about policing other peoples' fashion/taste/activities without reason. The idea that hipsters are somehow not genuine doesn't make any sense. What is there to be genuine to ? If you use an old film camera because you like the photos it takes and are fascinated by how it operates, more power…

It undermines genuine counterculture movements. When you have a lot of people who will act like they support a certain idea until questioned about it, and then duck away saying they were just being ironic, the result is that no-one takes anyone seriously. It's bad for the same reasons as bumper stickers, or protest groups who do nothing but stupid stunts.

Who supports social movements out of irony? I don't understand this.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by l33tbro »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #23

Tangentially related, things like this are why I have not stopped wearing my fedora (in appropriate situations, with appropriate outfits). Dear Internet Fashionistas: You've decided that fedoras and suspenders are the mark of a horrible person. Your opinions have no connection to reality. Over here in the real world, I look good. When I come back to the bar the next day to pick up my credit card, and the bouncer reme…

One fedora per crew, bro.
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