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Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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He's probably talking about Android.

It's basically true, though. Google install arbitrary Android apps on nearly any Android phone without user interaction. Source: If you log in to https://play.google.com from a desktop computer, you can install apps on your phone. You get the permissions dialog on the website (on your desktop computer), not on your phone.

> Google install arbitrary Android apps on nearly any Android phone without user interaction.

How they install them?

Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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For those wondering this looks like the antenna I have : http://www.ccrane.com/antennas/wifi-antennas/point-to-point-... and we use it for its "intended" purpose which is getting on to the wifi of the camp host at a camp ground :-)

And similar performance can be had from a 46oz can of soup or chili (retail value: $1.59), with a 1.25" wire sticking through about 1.25" away from the back end, as the antenna for a wifi adapter. #cantenna

People who think the cantenna is a good design need to go back to school.

Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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If we're getting cranky about spelling, it's "spelled". Spelt is an ancient variety of wheat. "Gubment" is pretty silly, though.

As long as we're continuing to be cranky about spelling, "spelt" is a perfectly valid British spelling of the past participle of spell.

Yeah, but you guys went and replaced the perfectly cromulent "aluminum" with "aluminium", so already I am suspicious.

Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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Actually its from further away than that with a high gain directional antenna (I've hit WiFi hot spots about a mile distant using same) but the point is that they can do this from outside your property. You would probably know if someone was in your house but you'd be hard pressed to notice a Yagi antenna pointed at your window from across the street or down the block a bit. That said, I read the article more as 'yet…

Especially if that Yagi antenna is on the other side of an RF-transparent wall (most walls are).

Most walls are not RF transparent, though they don't offer much pan loss, there is some.

Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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And similar performance can be had from a 46oz can of soup or chili (retail value: $1.59), with a 1.25" wire sticking through about 1.25" away from the back end, as the antenna for a wifi adapter. #cantenna

People who think the cantenna is a good design need to go back to school.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantenna

Quote: "The typical gain for this kind of antenna in the 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi band is about 10 dB."

The gain over a baseline quarter-wave ground-plane antenna obviously comes from the device's directionality.

So define "good design". If you mean an optimal design at any cost, of course not. If you mean clever use of readily available materials, it's a great design.

Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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And similar performance can be had from a 46oz can of soup or chili (retail value: $1.59), with a 1.25" wire sticking through about 1.25" away from the back end, as the antenna for a wifi adapter. #cantenna

People who think the cantenna is a good design need to go back to school.

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Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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"Google's legal initiatives are largely just naked lobbying for its own corporate interest. SOPA in particular.' This is where I stopped reading. I personally know all of the people at Google involved in doing SOPA, and you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are talking about a group of people mostly from places like EFF, Creative Commons, and other wonderful orgs. They do it because they want to…

You are talking about a group of people mostly from places like EFF, Creative Commons, and other wonderful orgs. They do it because they want to make the world better, and because it's the right thing to do. Maybe you are too cynical and jaded to do something like that, but they aren't. Your opinions have zero basis in fact. There is a difference between the people Google has employed to do the work and the corporate…

"There is a difference between the people Google has employed to do the work and the corporate strategy behind the work. I have no doubt that the people you describe are truly passionate and dedicated."

Of course there is difference, but you haven't explained what evidence you have that this it the corporate strategy. I actually know the corporate strategy, and i'm stating for a fact it's not as self-interested as you think. You don't have to believe me of course, and I'm not crazy enough to claim google doesn't have interests, but you present it as a very cynical 100% self-interested thing and it's simply not.

"But you don't see Google funding advocacy groups for initiatives that don't have a corresponding corporate benefit."

???? I think you are confused about what google funds.

What is your source of info? Press releases? Have you considered that maybe they don't let press releases happen because they just want the org to succeed, rather than being cynical and self-interested and trying to get credit, and that's why you don't know about it?

I personally helped fund opening of of polling location data (IE getting states to let us tell us where people vote so we could help people find their polling places). https://votinginfoproject.org/ There are now other partners, but Google created it, and funded it, as a separate org.

This was done for no other reason that I felt this was data that should be open, and it was completely ridiculous that you needed to pay various providers (many many figures) in order to get data on telling people where to vote.

This project was entirely altruistic - people were often confused by the info they had, or forgot, or something else. I wanted to solve this problem. There was no money, ads, or anything involved.

My group also funds the software freedom law center, software freedom conservancy, osu labs, etc. Not just open source either.

We fund many millions of dollars to organizations because it's the right thing to do and the orgs are fighting for the right things. Policy does the same. Of course, they do some advocacy and lobbying. But not all or even most of it has any direct corporate benefit.

In DC alone, Google funds a lot of dc related homeless and other advocacy organizations. Do you think Google has designs on ads for homeless people?

So when you say "But you don't see Google funding advocacy groups for initiatives that don't have a corresponding corporate benefit.", it would be more correct to say You don't see. And by "You don't see", that's often because Google doesn't put out press about it, because that's not the point. That would be self interested on Google's part. The point is to help the org.

Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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Or, in other words, Google remembers the things that we agree to have it remember.

In contract law, there's a concept called "meeting of the minds". A contract is formed when there has been a meeting of the minds between two parties as to what the deal is, and the parties have taken some concrete action to initiate the deal - often signing something, or shaking hands, or handing over money, or something like that. The operative question is: when someone signs into a Google account on an Android dev…

> when someone signs into a Google account on an Android device, and without any notification whatsoever the device sends his passwords to Google - which is what happens -

Data backup is opt in and there is a pretty screen in the setup to enable it if you want

Re: Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world

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All these secrets have been sent in plaintext between Google data-centres over 'dark fibre' we now suspect the NSA has been wholescale recording. There are belated efforts by google to encrypt the traffic between its data centres, but its basically too late.

It's not 'dark fibre' if you're using it.

Dark fiber is a fairly well-accepted industry term for fiber that you operate yourself, with your own lasers, as opposed to capacity that you lease from a telco and just provide your bits via serial or whatever.

It has also been considered to be pretty secure against eavesdropping due to multiplexing and just the sheer amount of data that can be shoved down a single long-haul fiber these days (5+ Tb/sec). Unfortunately, that's no longer necessarily true when you're up against an adversary with nation-state resources.

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