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Re: The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates comments

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Without delving into the specifics of Scientology, I am reminded of a grellas quotation: "The most valuable asset of a lawyer is his reputation." This applies to some journalistic endeavors as well. In some cases, I seek out the thoughts of those whose facts are unreliable, because their opinions are interesting or novel. But just as often, I seek out long-form, descriptive pieces to learn what reliable people believ…

Indeed ... and once lost, trust is very hard to regain. I subscribed to the Economist through most of the '90s, but did not renew my subscription following a rather blithe editorial saying Bill Clinton should resign. I still have a measure of respect for them on non-controversial topics—they're very good at explaining technical details in a simple way, for instance—but my faith in their judgment is gone.

> for instance—but my faith in their judgment is gone.

That's the reason I almost never read their leaders. I also tried to forgive them for the financial derivatives-special issue they had around 2007 or so, just before the shit started hitting the fan, but they were at least trying to counter-balance that with regular (small) articles in the financial section about the housing boom.

Otherwise their world-news reporting I think it's the best out-there.

Re: The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates comments

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Judging by this sponsored story, it seems that the people running The Atlantic have already decided to turn this august publication into an "interesting" brand. It's a shame. What doesn't make sense to me is that The Atlantic supposedly became profitable a couple of years ago -- see http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/business/media/13atlantic.... -- which, if true, means they didn't actually need to do this!

> The Atlantic supposedly became profitable couple of years ago Things change fast.

Wasn't their resurgence in large part due to Andrew Sullivan who then went to The Beast to their IMO mutual loss?

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> The Atlantic supposedly became profitable couple of years ago Things change fast.

Things change quickly. [This message from the Adverb Defence League]

“Fast” has been used as an adverb since at least Old English…

http://i.imgur.com/GuFFX.png

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I almost went to North Africa and the Middle East in September, 2001, just because it would have been a fun and obscure trip (probably would have skipped Libya, but Tunisia/etc. for classical reasons).

A friend of mine went six weeks after it all kicked off, said he really enjoyed it and never felt in danger.

Yeah, I knew people who were in Saudi during it. I would have felt safer as an American in most of those countries than as an Arab in the US, immediately post-9/11. I think there was a news article about some westerners in Yemen post-9/11; the people they were with were quite kind.

It still would have sucked for travel, and would have been pretty scary.

Re: The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates comments

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Things change quickly. [This message from the Adverb Defence League]

“Fast” has been used as an adverb since at least Old English… http://i.imgur.com/GuFFX.png

Things have changed, gradually.

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""Collusion" seems like overstating the case a little to me." Aren't they editing the comments for their customer?

Why would they be? Sites using Disqus can moderate their own comments, and Disqus claims to do no moderation beyond that -- see http://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/466223-who-d... . I suppose you could come up with a theory where The Atlantic talked/bribed Disqus into doing the moderation for them, but it seems much more straightforward to assume that it's the admins at The Atlantic who were filtering com…

By they, I mean the Atlantic, not Disqus. Though, it wouldn't surprise me if they had contract moderator options available for companies who don't want to employ their own.

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If you want a mindfuck, go to sears.com. Product results include, by default, items from Amazon affiliates. These dinosaurs truly have no clue what parts of their businesses could still have value.

So they are sending customers to their competitor just because they want to make a few dollars? Losing a customer must cost them more than the affiliate payment they get.

They're sending customers to Amazon's affiliates because it gets them SEO results and they likely get a kickback.

Coming from my searches that've turned up the affiliate spam, these are generally items that have nothing to do with Sears's main product lines or that Sears is well sold out of.

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sorry, but I agree. wholeheartedly immoral. Your doing exactly what corporations on the hill are doing to Congressman. Putting congressman in touch with corporations so that they might write our laws. Thats how I see you.

> sorry, but I agree. wholeheartedly immoral. Google also mixes sponsored results in their search results. Is that immoral?

You are not mixing sponsored pages in with your content. Your content IS that sponsored page.

Re: The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates comments

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I don't disagree, but it is socially unacceptable to say such things about thugs in other religions, just Scientology - and they may be freely promoted in the press with equal quantities of distortion - this bothers me a great deal.

Why is this relevant? It's irrelevant to Scientology's abuses and untrue. If we had the opportunity to shut down Christianity's past and current abuses, we should pursue this, whether Christianity "did it too" does not need to be brought up in every article.

I didn't say Christianity, so why did you attribute that to me? The comments on this article have drawn out some extreme vitriol about Scientology and I believe it is relevant that this is incredibly specific to Scientology, giving exceptions for other organizations which may simply be older.

Re: The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates comments

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Retraction: http://imgur.com/5yVvT

"Statement from The Atlantic

Regarding an advertisement from the Church of Scientology that appeared on TheAtlantic.com on January 14:

We screwed up. It shouldn't have taken a wave of constructive criticism — but it has — to alert us that we've made a mistake, possibly several mistakes. We now realize that as we explored new forms of digital advertising, we failed to update the policies that must govern the decisions we make along the way. It's safe to say that we are thinking a lot more about these policies after running this ad than we did beforehand. In the meantime, we have decided to withdraw the ad until we figure all of this out. We remain committed to and enthusiastic about innovation in digital advertising, but acknowledge—sheepishly—that we got ahead of ourselves. We are sorry, and we're working very hard to put things right."

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