A/I shuts down • Hacker News Board

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by graemep » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:09 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #43

mcv wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but do you control international banking the way they do? That's ultimately how they're able to do this.

Which is why efforts by China to stand up independent cross border payment rails are important. You have to cut the US out of any ability to control activities outside of their boundaries. China, Egypt to do away with the use of the US dollar - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49555056 - September 2026 China nears launch of mBridge as alternative to Swift - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48636931 - June 202…

So the rest of the world has the option of relying on China instead? How is that better?

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by sdcfgy » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:09 PM UTC

CircuitSeuss wrote: post #229

sdcfgy wrote: post #59

This reminds me how fragile the internet is and how we need other channels of communication.

Not all problems are best served with technical solutions. This is a political problem.

I’m not suggesting technical solutions to be clear.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by 13415 » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:09 PM UTC

mapontosevenths wrote: post #218

megous wrote: post #211

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I'm not familiar with A/I, but I'm familiar with americans, and they look completely ridiculous talking smack about others doing allegedly "bad things". And they have no defense about supporting war criminals or genocidaires.

Define genocide so we can all be sure we're talking about the same thing.

It's defined in the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Long title but the document is like two pages, easy reading for even the intellectually laziest persons.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by catlover76 » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:13 PM UTC

alexwebb2 wrote: post #113

andlarry wrote: post #27

Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

I’m not familiar with A/I, but this sounds pretty damning – the ideological vetting of users in particular seems to discount any sort of neutral utility defense.

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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by graemep » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:13 PM UTC

msm_ wrote: post #75

SkyeCA wrote: post #53

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IRGC, Hamas, Hizballah and maybe others are far right organizations, so I don't think this is purely left/right. And what about signal? I am pretty sure many violent/terrorist groups use it too. I don't have an opinion about this group, because I didn't even know it existed. But, like often with things related to the free speech, I think this topic is more complex than you make it out to be.

Their supporters in the west form alliances with the left.

I do not think you can meaningfully fit them in a left vs right classification. There are many groups in the world that take bits from left and right. There are ethno-nationalist communists, for examlle.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by tastyface » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:13 PM UTC

sehw wrote: post #222

America hate thread?

No. America hate anti-fascism.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by 13415 » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:14 PM UTC

strictnein wrote: post #171

NostraDavid wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hizballah Is that Hezbollah's little brother?

Hizballah and Hezbollah are different spellings of the same thing, with Hizballah probably being more accurate and the one regularly used by the US government.

Oh...the US government. That clarifies a lot...

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:15 PM UTC

WindyTree wrote: post #233

alexwebb2 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not familiar with A/I, but this sounds pretty damning – the ideological vetting of users in particular seems to discount any sort of neutral utility defense.

It really doesn’t, unless they are screening for terrorism. For instance, a company that provides some free tech for low income Catholics, which ends up used in some crime, maybe bombed family planning clinic, can be charged for the terrorism they didn’t do. In fact, this can be leveraged by anti-Catholic terrorists to take out the Catholic tech service.

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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mdp2021 » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:15 PM UTC

lambda wrote: post #9

righthand wrote: post #3

> We are stopping, but the Resistance and ideas do not stop. Stay human. How will that be if the resistance is not visible to the public. What are all the people using their services supposed to do? I’m guessing there are plans to reform in a few years. Why is the Italian government not protecting them?

The Italian government is also a far-right government like the US, so is aligned in wanting to suppress left-wing views.

Bring evidence that the actions of the two are really comparable. Surprise us (it will take some effort).

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by bradly » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 6:17 PM UTC

alexwebb2 wrote: post #113

andlarry wrote: post #27

Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

I’m not familiar with A/I, but this sounds pretty damning – the ideological vetting of users in particular seems to discount any sort of neutral utility defense.

From my reading of their policy they do not claim to be neutral:

> To be hosted on our servers you have to share our principles of anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and anti-militarism

It is the first line of https://www.inventati.org/who/policy