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Doing some math. Regional jets get somewhere around 45.9 seat miles per gallon (1). So 30 seats, going 125 miles would take around 80 gallons of jet fuel. This is likely low because all the jets listed are bigger and likely flying longer flights that are more efficient but just go with it. Jet fuel has a specific energy of 12 kwh/kg and a density of 6.7 lb/gal (2). So 80 gallons of jet fuel is 536 lb, or 243 kg, and…

> Lets say we are using batteries that are 300 wh/kg (0.3 kwh/kg)

400 Wh/kg are almost there [1].

[1] https://youtu.be/nM86DBOqgPM?t=541

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Hybrid after the first 125 miles, total range 500 miles. Their problem is diversions - an incident at the destination airport may mean an passenger aircraft may need to land at an airport which could be a couple hundred miles away. The hybrid powerplant throws the fuel efficiency numbers off so goal is not to run it unless needed, but they could not get certification without it.

Unless they have a whole new airport and flying experience, I don’t think a lot of people are going to fly just 125 miles. That’s less than two hours of driving. It would be 2 hours of just airport shenanigans much less the flight itself.

You don't drive to islands.

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This ignores the fact that there are also things that China does better or equal than Western companies. Like robots, solar panels, electric cars (?), AI models, electronics. They must be good at something, otherwise China wouldn't be where it is. So flat out dismissing anything from China is not enough of an argument. Mind you, I'm not saying you're generally wrong, just your "generally" is wrong. ;-)

I'd dispute they do any of those better, they stole the IP, then used public funds to make cheaper versions in the hope of leading the markets, including by being artificially more affordable while there is any competition. Besides electric cars and solar, it's very debatable wether those will actually be ecological in the end. For ex. they are still opening massive amounts of fossil based electric plants, so the tru…

> they stole the IP, then used public funds to make cheaper versions in the hope of leading the markets

If you steal my IP and you make a better - or at least comparative but cheaper - product, that's on me for not innovating further.

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Man, I’d love more trains but we can’t act like the infrastructure necessary to support them, if not present, is very challenging to develop. Even ignoring land acquisition (which is a big thing to ignore in populated areas where a train would most benefit the population), there are simple things like road crossings, other infrastructure crossing, etc. In this case an airplane may be simply a lower friction solution.

The biggest costs and sources of delays to building high speed rail in the UK are legal challenges from people who don’t want any construction to take place anywhere near them.

I’ll believe it. If someone were to try to achieve the same in my area (not even high speed rail), between two metropolitan areas, they’d have to contend with thousands of private land owners.

I lived in the UK for a few years, so I can appreciate and really enjoy a robust rail network, but it’s not an easy thing to achieve.

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Realistically, how long would it take this company to comply with all the relevant regulations (even just the local ones) before it can fly with human passengers? I imagine new safety guidelines would need to be written for wherever this aircraft is permitted to fly.

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You can't convert between kWh and kW. 100 kWh = 6 MW for one minute... so there is plenty of power if the flight is short enough. They said the plane has 4 Tesla's worth of battery power, let's assume they are 80KWh packs then that's 320kWh that they could use for a short flight. That's a fair amount of juice, they definitely won't be flying long in a 25 ton aircraft without starting up the auxiliary motor but I have…

> more likely to be 50 kWh just for the take-off 1.6 MW power [1]. Would be 2 minutes for take-off realistic? [1] https://youtu.be/nM86DBOqgPM?t=475

Depends on how high you go ;)

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Due to Iran, they're cutting oil/fuel imports 30% YoY, and consumption by the transportation sector by 5~10%.

And opened about 80GW of coal last year alone. That's the only advantage to electric trucks, they can run on coal too, even though you can only carry half the capacity whilst moving the same total weight, it still can make sense, just not economic and certainly not ecological. They sure love people writing articles about it though, and how green and solar they are.

Running trucks on a 50% coal grid like in China makes both economic and environmental sense.

It makes more of both as the Chinese grid gets cleaner.

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Anyone knows the details why Heart left Sweden? I applied for a job with them a few years ago but never heard back so I am quite curious. They seemed to have a lot of former Embraer engineers from Brazil, I wonder if they brought them over to the US.

> In comments to Sweden's government regarding the EU Net Zero Industry Act, Heart wrote that: “The regulatory framework and access to financing is very attractive in the US.” > Heart warned that Europe needed to respond to the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act if it wanted: “to retain technology companies like Heart within the EU” 2 years later: > "We are deeply grateful to our team in Sweden for being part of this chapt…

I wonder if the parts of the IRA they were betting on remained in place when Trump gutted it.

Grid Battery seemed to mostly survive but not sure if there's as much crossover there as with EVs.

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