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I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by phil21 »

gwbas1c wrote: post #226
phil21 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could also just be a bunch of IoT devices running on synchronized time source that have what amounts to a defrost cronjob. And a latent bug that due to everything being synced and on the same schedule failed in the same manner (eg crashed the controller immediately after turning the heating element on and either didn’t boot back up or booted and some shitty programming forgot to check the heating element status). Sav…

IE, a quickly applied patch that failed.

No, just a latent bug that got exposed by a coincidental condition which happened to be synchronized via time.

Doesn’t require and patching at all. These things lurk for years or decades before finally meeting the conditions needed to be exposed. Many times one-off failures that underwrote the issue are written off as hardware failure or whatnot and not actually diagnosed until something like this happens.

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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ericmay wrote: post #247
sofixa wrote: post #210

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Exactly, which makes this a stupid war to start in the first place. Also, to be clear, a land invasion isn't "too costly". It's suicidal because we're talking about a massive country that has been preparing for decades, has a terrain advantage and literally more than a million fanatics ready to die for the regime. You'd need millions of soldiers deployed, and are looking at some Operation Downfall level expected loss…

I'm not suggesting we should even consider invading Iran - mostly because we don't need to, but these numbers you are throwing around seem a bit off the mark without either a time horizon or some other qualifier. Also... a million fanatics ready to die for the regime? Maybe. Maybe some of them value their lives. We've dealt with fanatics multiple times whether that's Japanese willing to die for the emperor or Muslim…

> Also... a million fanatics ready to die for the regime? Maybe. Maybe some of them value their lives

The Basij militia has more than a million men in it alone (officially it has 20+ million but more neutral sources pin the number around a million), and this is the organisation that was doing unarmed human wave attacks against Iraq to defend the Iranian revolution. It's also a theocracy with a religion that has martyrdom as a thing.

If anything, a million fanatics ready to die for the regime is probably an understatement.

> We've dealt with fanatics multiple times whether that's Japanese willing to die for the emperor or Muslim extremists throughout the Middle East trying to get their 72 virgins. Nobody in the US is scared of dealing with fanatics

And Japan surrendered because the Emperor said so. If Operation Downfall had to be done instead, you'd have millions of American and Allied casualties.

If you're not scared of this, you aren't paying attention.

> Iran is more mountainous and the terrain is a challenge but the major population centers aren't hidden in bunkers in the hills

Bombing population centres has never resulted in military victory. It has occasionally, alongside military reversals, contributed to political leaders deciding they can't continue (Hirohito, Milosevic), but it would be delusional to hope that Iran's Supreme Leader, sone of the previous one who got bombed out of existence, and again, is a religious leader part of a religion with martyrdom, would be impressed by the US bombing "his" people.

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