The Three-Second Theft: Why AI Voice Fraud Outruns Every Defence

Post by e40 » Fri, Jul 17, 2026, 12:16 PM UTC

kjellsbells wrote: post #243

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So we can't block shady spammers because business wants shady customer support call centers? Ugh. It figures, but ugh. Thanks for the inside perspective.

I'm going to mangle the terms of art here, but the ur-problem is that labels of routing, like phone numbers and email addresses, get confused with labels of identity, and then with indicators of trustworthiness. Everything is built to address that weakness - think DKIM, SPF, etc, plus STIR/SHAKEN, to say nothing of IP or ASN filtering, but they feel like bandaids on a very difficult problem. What you end up with are…

Post by ninalanyon » Fri, Jul 17, 2026, 4:28 PM UTC

armchairhacker wrote: post #244

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> limited rights for old people How old did you have in mind? > an old person is already looking forward to declining and dying All of my colleagues who have died in old age (at least late seventies) did so in full command of their senses, one of them still contributing to international technical committees into their eighties. Age is not a useful measure in this field.

> How old did you have in mind? Somewhere between 70 and 80 > All of my colleagues who have died in old age (at least late seventies) did so in full command of their senses, one of them still contributing to international technical committees into their eighties. Likewise, there are 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds smarter and more mature than most adults. Loss of rights doesn't mean they can't contribute, have others d…

Post by xp84 » Sun, Jul 26, 2026, 9:46 PM UTC

christkv wrote: post #246

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Someone else pointed out how easy it would be to make a video of anyone having a finger cut off, or similar torture, to scare the victim into believing that the “grandchild” forgot their password and needs you to override the password protocol to save their other 9 fingers. I have to agree. That’s like 80¢ of compute to do. If that’s effective even 30% of the time, it means “just have a password” doesn’t make you saf…

I mean that's a pretty extreme example though. It can be mostly gotten past by using the method used with alarm companies. One "danger" password and one "safe" password.