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Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by gbacon »

CupricTea wrote: post #239
jorisw wrote: post #15

Sentiment for/against GitHub aside... "Why X are doing Y" articles like these pretend that the premise of "X are doing Y" is true, conveniently skipping to the "Why" before proving that the premise is even accurate in any meaningful way. This is why I never buy headlines that start out with "Why". > developers are ditching Proceeds to list but a handful of remotely meaningful repos against the hundreds of thousands o…

I can't help but think at this point that Ghostty's "departure" from GitHub is unserious. It's been two and a half months now and not even a single peep of discussion about where they may be migrating to or what they may be doing.

GitHub is still the only option on their download page: https://ghostty.org/download

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by gbacon »

pjc50 wrote: post #38
jorisw wrote: post #15

Sentiment for/against GitHub aside... "Why X are doing Y" articles like these pretend that the premise of "X are doing Y" is true, conveniently skipping to the "Why" before proving that the premise is even accurate in any meaningful way. This is why I never buy headlines that start out with "Why". > developers are ditching Proceeds to list but a handful of remotely meaningful repos against the hundreds of thousands o…

You can just insert the word "some" as required.

Some means at least one.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by kstrauser »

grep_name wrote: post #238
kstrauser wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re so right. I have a public-facing Forgejo server. Before configuring Anubis, scrapers were sending it about 600K requests per day. Copying and pasting from my blog post about it: * For every Git commit, fetch the version of every file in the repository at that commit. * See git blame for every file at every commit. * Attempt to download the archive of each repo at every commit. * Run every possible pull request…

What do you use to monitor this? I don't really keep a close enough eye on my services to know what the traffic is doing (and haven't had any issues) but maybe I should start

I just tailed the web logs for a bit and saw that it was wild. For fun, I fed 10 minutes of logs into an AI and it picked up a lot of signal I didn't catch at first glance, like clients claiming to be MSIE 7 on Android 3 and such. I added some reject rules to the webserver in front of Forgejo but that only made a dent in the traffic, alas.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by kstrauser »

andai wrote: post #237
kstrauser wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re so right. I have a public-facing Forgejo server. Before configuring Anubis, scrapers were sending it about 600K requests per day. Copying and pasting from my blog post about it: * For every Git commit, fetch the version of every file in the repository at that commit. * See git blame for every file at every commit. * Attempt to download the archive of each repo at every commit. * Run every possible pull request…

That's crazy. So 600,000 someones are absolutely starved for data. Or one someone with too much money and too little sense misplaced a decimal point in their ScraPy setup?

I think it was the latter.

And the cruel irony is that these are FOSS Git repos I'm publicly sharing. I'd've been fine with them cloning the repo and analyzing away to their heart's content. That's not the way their scraper's wired, though.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by dijksterhuis »

bogwog wrote: post #212
dijksterhuis wrote: post #117

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one reason (among others) — compliance. a corporate/b2b saas environment without stuff like this is often a non starter. - SOC2 - ISO/IEC 27001:2022 - ISO/IEC 27017:2015 - ISO/IEC 27018:2019 - VPAT 508 https://about.gitlab.com/security/ no mention of these on the forejo site, so i can’t put “our internal software is all SOC2/ISO NUMBER compliant” as a bullet point on a slide deck. it is theatre. but it’s industry the…

Aren't those about organizational processes instead of just specific software features? For example, I don't think self-hosting gitlab is enough to claim ISO/IEC 27001, just based on this snippet from wikipedia: > ISO/IEC 27001 requires that management: > Systematically examine the organization's information security risks, taking account of the threats, vulnerabilities, and impacts; > Design and implement a coherent…

> I don't think self-hosting gitlab is enough to claim ISO/IEC 27001

probably not. but it does mean you can focus on the rest of your stack rather than having to go through every single process from the ground up.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by kstrauser »

saghm wrote: post #211
pluto_modadic wrote: post #203

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codeberg's one job gets interfered with by freeloaders hammering expensive views (like git blame) inconsiderately.

Couldn't they just rate limit them? Are they literally using a new IP for every request?

In my experience, yes. At the peak of a scraper flood I was dealing with, I'd say about 90% of the traffic was from a unique IP. I'd never seen anything quite like that before.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by tancop »

onesandofgrain wrote: post #250
hambos22 wrote: post #37

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Github is an extra layer of backup, among normal backups. [edit] Notable reasons: - Github runners went oftenly out of space & they were slow. With self hosted runners I don't have these issues anymore because I control the hardware. Previously I was paying Docker Build Cloud/Depot for performance + Github Pro for extra minutes. Now it's zero cost, superb performance and unlimited minutes. - I have a centralized regi…

If you're using github as a backup, then whatever you say you own, they also own. So I still don't understand why you are self-hosting and using github as an extra layer of backup. Seems philosophically inconsistent.

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by esperent »

conartist6 wrote: post #121
esperent wrote: post #106

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Which early adopters exactly? The most prominent example they gave is ghostty which has existed for just a couple of years, notwithstanding the fact that the owner published a spiel about how he's personally been using it for longer.

An early adopter is someone who is first in line to try something new, usually because they're willing to build part of the new thing with their own hands. Just look at what projects are on any of the third-party forges, those are the early adopters of post-github tech. I would also be one of them, but I'm not actually off Github yet. That's because I haven't quiite finished building the thing I'm going to move to.

I know what an early adopter is. Should we call this HNsplaining?

I'm saying that Ghostty, which is ~5 years old, cannot be called an early adopter of GitHub, which is 18 years old.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by hambos22 »

onesandofgrain wrote: post #250
hambos22 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Github is an extra layer of backup, among normal backups. [edit] Notable reasons: - Github runners went oftenly out of space & they were slow. With self hosted runners I don't have these issues anymore because I control the hardware. Previously I was paying Docker Build Cloud/Depot for performance + Github Pro for extra minutes. Now it's zero cost, superb performance and unlimited minutes. - I have a centralized regi…

If you're using github as a backup, then whatever you say you own, they also own. So I still don't understand why you are self-hosting and using github as an extra layer of backup. Seems philosophically inconsistent.

Nothing philosophical here. Whatever makes you productive.

I own the git, the runners, the registry etc and just use GH for backup. GH cannot interrupt suddenly my business.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

My_Name wrote: post #82

As a developer who ditched Github and decided to self-host, there is only one reason. It's not technical difficulties, politics, nor AI. It's Microsoft. Like Apple, Facebook etc, I have a deep loathing for Microsoft and I want to remove as much of it from my life as I am able. I now run Git on a pi using Gitea and Forgejo. I can now upload files of a size unheard of in GitHub, Claude can make a PR by itself that I ca…

Why Gitea _and_ Forgejo, rather than just one or the other?
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