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We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by pbgcp2026 »

zie1ony wrote: post #234
pbgcp2026 wrote: post #201

@zie1ony / OP - how do you make your clients believe you are not planting a crypto-locker or logic bomb or some other 3-letters-agencies "features"? And why would clients replace existing AI slop with your post-another-slop handwritten code? Do you check it for vulns and, most important, have you considered that later clients will sue you for ? Providing there is no major data leak, in which case you may end up provi…

I remember implementing very complex cryptographic scheme in pure C. After a week of hard work, my friend concluded: "Cryptography would be much easier if people just trust each other." The truth is that it is my reputation on the line, so I also have to make sure dependencies I use don't mess up things as well. There is no good defense against it. In my contracts I undertake to act in a good faith and take the respo…

"There is no good defense against it." Man, please talk to assets protection experts. I am serious.

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Post by stackghost »

eudamoniac wrote: post #242
stackghost wrote: post #174

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>writing code is the actual fun part of the job though. You mean typing the actual code into the editor is the fun part for you? For me, the fun part has always been "cause computer to do novel things", and actually typing/compiling/debugging the code is just a speed bump on the way to something fun.

It's like doing a jigsaw puzzle. The fun part is the doing. I don't really care what the final picture is, and once it's assembled the fun is over.

That's an interesting choice of analogy because I despise doing jigsaw puzzles. I don't see where the entertainment is supposed to be.

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Post by unparagoned »

kdheiwns wrote: post #104
blanched wrote: post #49

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> we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR > none of them have read any more than a few lines of code So what do you / your team do?

It's really quite interesting how there are always posts on HN with people talking about how AI made their life great, did it cheaply, made a great product, and saved the day. But whenever someone asks for specifics, the questions are always dodged or answered very vaguely. It's rare that anyone ever even says what their product does.

I had a product where I was doing accountancy ratios and it’s not that simple since you have lots of different source data to use and it was such a nightmare to combine everything in the right way. Ai did that easily. Also writing code to extract unstructured data was a few hours vs weeks of work.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

socratic_weeb wrote: post #202
____mr____ wrote: post #176

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The meaningful difference is that you will not experience EOS if (when) anthropic/openai/etc fails to become profitable and is no longer subsidized by capital funding. While "vibe-coded" apps do help lots of people who didnt have the time/money/skills to create their projects, you should be aware that currently the compute is being subsidized so that users become reliant/used to the service.

I believe vibe coding in general is a bad business strategy whether you use FOSS models or not because it means your product probably doesn't have any "secret sauce" (leaving code maintainability problems aside). By that I mean a carefully researched innovation that gives the edge to your product. Nevertheless, using FOSS models is clearly better for the reason you mentioned. I believe serious businesses will transit…

You're making the mistake of assuming that just because LLMs make things easy, all of the value is in the LLM and not in the prompting and glue work.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

thraway3837 wrote: post #133
blanched wrote: post #57

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To be clear, I didn't mean this as an anti-AI gotcha. They also said: > We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback So maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded like the design was external (and based on an existing product to begin with). Also, my understanding was that "vibe coding" meant more of "make it do X" as opposed to "here's a design for X, implement it."

Sorry, I was trying to be glib by putting "vibe" in quotes, because I think that term is used for people who have zero experience in software engineering, but when used by senior engineers, it's something else. But, I don't know if some populations would still call it vibe coding. The design is external in that the requirements come from external customers or internal customers (since these applications) are used by…

As a senior eng, I use "vibe coding" as a http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/ha-ha-only-serious.html

Obviously I'm not just shipping whatever it spits out, but the frontier models and harnesses are getting so good that I'm definitely not checking everything it does or all of its reasoning

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Post by Ferret7446 »

tikhonj wrote: post #154
phil21 wrote: post #121

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> So what do you / your team do? This is so funny to me, because I know it's asked in earnest but seems so obvious to me: They get actual work done. Programming isn't work. That's just a means to an end. A tool to get the actual job done. At least in most orgs. Obviously there are exceptions - but the vast economy is not a bunch of software companies. It's companies doing things to build a physical product, and softw…

It's interesting how people view software as a distraction and an annoying side quest/cost center, but never apply that to, say, 90% of what management does. None of that "directly" makes money either! That tells us a lot more about the leadership and management philosophies at modern companies than anything fundamental about what kind of work actually matters.

Everyone except management knows that management is a distraction, including the shareholders and board when the org is getting too bloated and the numbers aren't looking good.

Which is a perfect parallel to coders who don't realize that coding is a distraction. When your job depends on you not understanding something, etc

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Post by khasan222 »

zie1ony wrote: post #207
khasan222 wrote: post #38

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Ngl I’m doing this right now for a client. Part of my strategy is to write out e2e tests that get a certain baseline of functionality, and then use that as the check for any change that I make to the codebase to make sure it continues to work. So workflow for a full web app is make e2e tests for all use cases. Then add a very strict duplication checker, and linter, and then just tell the ai to hit a certain duplicati…

I have also experimented with mutation testing. But the side effect of this approach is that it keeps public interfaces intact, and most of cases you don't want that.

What do you mean when you say public interfaces?

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Post by MrSkelter »

socratic_weeb wrote: post #159
thraway3837 wrote: post #39

We replaced a 120,000 USD/year low-code/no-code platform that was running a lot of workflows. And we have another platform that is also similar that we are on track to replace by EOY. Both have been replaced by "vibe" coding. It works well. Everyone's happy. People are having fun with it. We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to…

This industry's complete outsourcing of its core business value on a third party proprietary subscription based tool, Claude, made by an unprofitable company, Anthropic, is very concerning. You are all lunatics, sorry.

The industry is a joke.

Meta requires tens of thousands of engineers to maintain a social media site. Google even more for an ad platform.

Never have so many achieved so little and the joke is all those clowns think they are “10x engineers”. Meanwhile WhatsApp got to global scale with less than 30 people (before Meta bought it and piled on the inefficiency).

Vibe coding is many orders of magnitude more efficient than the industry standard and that’s why it’s so disruptive.

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Post by killix »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #43

I am currently working with a non-dev startup CEO that's fully embraced Claude Code and vibe coding. 90% of my work is to run code review workflows and steer his CLAUDE.md into the correct architecture choices and away from past mistakes. So far it's working pretty well -- I'm able to unslopify the code and maintain the agent's performance. And the CEO is happy, he's able to develop his product pretty fast and not hi…

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