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Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by curt15 »

thayne wrote: post #249
rsyring wrote: post #165

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I run Ubuntu 24.04 on my laptop and servers. The Podman version is 4.9.3. It may be incompressible to you, but I'm not alone in thinking it's a problem: https://github.com/podman-container-tools/podman/issues/2707...

If you use an LTS version of Ubuntu (or Red Hat etc.), you are going to have older versions of software. That's just how it works. And is kind of the point of LTS. If you want more recent versions, use a rolling release or a more recent (non-LTS) version of Ubuntu (or whatever). The latest version of podman is going to depend on recent versions of the kernel and systemd, etc. and isn't going to work well on an older…

It's interesting that Linux users have been conditioned to expect this level of coupling when any other user would find that absurd. Do Windows 10 users expect to be stuck on software from 2015? Should one have to switch to Windows Insiders just to run recent games?

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by MrDOS »

how_gauche wrote: post #230
tasuki wrote: post #192

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What's wrong with 5.7.0+ds2-3build1 ?

Ubuntu loves to mess with upstream by shipping a bunch of vendor patches. It's one of the main reasons I run Fedora, they do this the least in my experience

Every distro does this. That's what a distro is.

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by syhol »

curt15 wrote: post #251
thayne wrote: post #249

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If you use an LTS version of Ubuntu (or Red Hat etc.), you are going to have older versions of software. That's just how it works. And is kind of the point of LTS. If you want more recent versions, use a rolling release or a more recent (non-LTS) version of Ubuntu (or whatever). The latest version of podman is going to depend on recent versions of the kernel and systemd, etc. and isn't going to work well on an older…

It's interesting that Linux users have been conditioned to expect this level of coupling when any other user would find that absurd. Do Windows 10 users expect to be stuck on software from 2015? Should one have to switch to Windows Insiders just to run recent games?

It's just a choice of stability https://vanillaos.org/blog/article/2023-01-31/point-vs-rolli...

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by trollbridge »

esseph wrote: post #72
trollbridge wrote: post #39

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I gave up on Podman for some minor reasons: one was that they decided to deviate from Docker and handle SELinux differently, which required effort to change the SELinux security labels on a stock Centos system. That made it a no go. The other issue is minor differences from Docker, but small enough that a packaged up Docker compose doesn’t work out of the box. It’s not a good use of my time to debug that when I could…

> on a stock Centos system Either an old experience you had, or a newer experience you had on vastly out of date packages and probably podman itself?

CentOS comes with SELinux on by default.

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by esseph »

trollbridge wrote: post #254
esseph wrote: post #72

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> on a stock Centos system Either an old experience you had, or a newer experience you had on vastly out of date packages and probably podman itself?

CentOS comes with SELinux on by default.

CentOS is very old and very out of date now. Unless you're using stream, which I haven't followed along with that at all. Podman is on v6 now, after all. A lot of systemd changes have also happened since.

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by smarx007 »

rsyring wrote: post #152
stryan wrote: post #150

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To be clear, it doesn't explicitly not support Ubuntu or anything, it just doesn't privilege it. Podman doesn't produce packages for any distros.

Agreed. But, IMO, it looks like amateur hour when you compare their stance to the distro support Docker provides.

A slightly different perspective: Podman is made by the distro people (RedHat/Fedora). And they consider it unacceptable to mess with the software distribution channels of a distro. If Debian does not want latest Podman, they are not going to push the latest version to Debian users behind Debian repo's "back". This is a distro-to-distro respect rather than amateur hour.

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by mikebelanger »

mati365 wrote: post #76

I really love Quadlet. I used to host my rootless containers on Hetzner, Ansible, SystemD and RockyLinux for years without any issues and extracted it to template repo [1]. [1] https://github.com/Mati365/hetzner-podman-bunjs-deploy

If I may ask, what do you use to host now?

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by schnatterer »

roger_ wrote: post #6

Anyone have experience switching from Docker to Podman? I have a lot of compose files in my homelab/automation setup and those are what I’m most concerned about.

Any experiences running k3d on podman? It's my daily provider of local kubernetes.

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by tasuki »

bboozzoo wrote: post #232
tasuki wrote: post #194

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> If RedHat doesn't choose to You still don't get it: Canonical didn't choose to include a newer version in their 24.04 release.

24.04 is a stable release. Package updates in stable releases need to follow the Stable Release Update process https://ubuntu.com/project/docs/SRU/stable-release-updates/ In essence someone needs to do contribute time and effort to make it happen. Canonical is free to choose the packages they want to maintain themselves and which ones go to universe and are community maintained. The upstream, if they care enough, can…

Thank you for the explanation!

Re: Podman v6.0.0

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Post by rsyring »

tasuki wrote: post #190
rsyring wrote: post #165

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I run Ubuntu 24.04 on my laptop and servers. The Podman version is 4.9.3. It may be incompressible to you, but I'm not alone in thinking it's a problem: https://github.com/podman-container-tools/podman/issues/2707...

That's on Ubuntu, and on you choosing to run an old version of Ubuntu, nothing to do with podman. You're not alone in thinking it, but the other people are just similarly confused. The last reply to that thread explains the situation well[0]. [0]: https://github.com/podman-container-tools/podman/issues/2707...

I think you are taking an overly simplistic and dismissive view.

There's no confusion. I understand Podman's position. I'm simply saying that position keeps them from gaining enough users to really compete with Docker.

I run LTS Ubuntu versions for core stability. That usually doesn't keep me from getting the latest version of software that it makes sense to keep updated. Case in point...Docker!

So, on my "old" version of Ubuntu, which I agree is completely "on me" for choosing it, I'm able to easily run the latest version of Docker. They care about my use case, make my life as a sysadmin easier, so I use their software.

Podman doesn't and I therefore have avoided using their software for years even though they have some compelling features.

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