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Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by SamuelAdams »

AbsurdCensor wrote: post #59
toomuchtodo wrote: post #43

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Pays for itself in ~40 months of not paying $100/month for streaming services. Edit: Drives are not included :(

That's without storage. They are charging $750 each for 24tb HDD's, so filling it up brings that cost to $16k. Only need to run it for 13+ years and have zero HDD failures in that time, and then pay for all the media you are going to load it up with. Not exactly sure this would be cheaper or easier than just paying for streaming services and cancelling them when you don't need them.

Let's be honest, at a certain point it's a hobby. And it's still cheaper than snowboarding.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by avianlyric »

mcculley wrote: post #245
varenc wrote: post #241

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I'm surprised this is required. Agreed that's shady. I wonder what their reasoning is. But if you don't trust it, the fix is easy: just deny the Ubiquiti cameras and controller all internet access. That way no trust is required.

But what if I want to access my cameras remotely but not have their manufacturer access them?

VPN. You can even use the Wireguard VPN that all Ubiquiti routers have built in

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by jonah »

sussexby wrote: post #51
elevation wrote: post #38

I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowe…

The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.

Hey, why can't I get full-resolution 4k snapshots off my G5 Pro bullet?

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Post by magicalhippo »

bhouston wrote: post #230
magicalhippo wrote: post #180

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How did you configure the array? If you did a single RAID-Z2 say then uncached reads are limited about what a single disk will do. Writes should saturate though. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/05/zfs-versus-raid-eigh...

Yes I did use Raid-Z2 as I figured that was best for the 12 drives I had. I will be honest that moving to a pure NVMe setup means I never have to read another long article about how to tweak my spinning disk setup for performance and all the tradeoffs to consider. It is honestly freeing, and just feels like discarding old baggage. I do recommend it.

That explains it. And yes, NVMe is the future. I have a small 4x 2TB NVMe array for all my Docker/VM stuff and it's so great, got them when they were dirt cheap.

Sadly it's a very costly proposition these days though, so hope they live for a few more years.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by user3939382 »

I have enough dollars and hours invested with Ubiquiti to have an opinion here.

They manage to make performant, capable hardware for a decent price. Then they give you shit configuration tools, a shit configuration experience, vendor lock in, and forced to the cloud. So on balance no thank you per my personal priorities.

If you expect cloud and vendor lock in is a plus that you’re accustomed to with other maybe enterprise vendors, by all means.

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Post by pharos92 »

zzyzxd wrote: post #218

The biggest concern about Ubiquiti to me is still its software/infrastructure quality. Off top of my head, besides all the UI/UX glitches: - They once allowed a human employee to access static AWS root access key. - Their employee once claimed "remote access" was end to end encrypted, but later people figured out they probably just meant TLS in transit. - They had a configuration error that allowed some users to acce…

I sold my Unifi APs, they broke DHCP over wifi multiple times. If you can't QA/Test basic 101 features like that, I have zero trust in your security.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by h4kunamata »

Ubiquiti bubble is so tiring, it is like AI bubble and Apple bubble. These people live within a bubble.

Overpriced piece of hardware that you will never own because it runs proprietary firmware, you are forced to install apps to take full advantage from those devices.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by arthurfm »

amluto wrote: post #76
softfalcon wrote: post #44

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I have heard others say the same as you about Ubiquiti devices. I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. I've only been using Ubiquiti as a pro-sumer, but it has held up well for my use case of Plex and little game servers. I use a Synology NAS for my storage though, which is a slightly beefier mobile AMD chipset. I'd be very interested to know what I should and shouldn't expect from my ARM based network stac…

The Cloud Key Gen 2 is underpowered depending what you do with it, and it runs hot. UniFi seriously needs to refresh it. (At least it’s better than the Gen 1. The Gen 1 was disastrously bad.) The ENAS looks like fairly nice hardware. It even has ECC RAM. Not cheap, though.

Considering how long it has been I don't think we will ever see a Cloud Key Gen 3/3+.

Ubiquiti's Cloud Gateway Max or Fiber seems to be the modern replacement since they do the job of the Cloud Key while also serving as your router and firewall.

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Post by 827a »

xxpor wrote: post #220
827a wrote: post #181

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It does have a dual NVMe cache; those in RAID-0 will saturate (e.g. I believe just one Samsung 990 Pro can write at just over 50Gbps). The bigger risk is the CPU. This is an issue with the Ubiquiti UNAS Pro 8, their ~$800 USD 8 bay NAS. In theory it has 10gig networking. In practice the CPU physically cannot transfer bits fast enough, because its a dinky underpowered ARM CPU that they clearly chose to hit that quite…

You can hit 10 gig aggregate on an A57 quite easily, given standard memory bandwidth (I've done it). They must be doing something stupid on the software side, like too many copies. Or if you're trying to shove 10 gig in one flow at 1500 mtu yeah that might be painful.

As I recall there were some people on reddit who got the UNAS Pro 8 up to 10gig, but yeah it was only through some level of software tweaks or network stack config or something. From the factory my understanding is that it struggles.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by bobmcnamara »

toast0 wrote: post #228
hombre_fatal wrote: post #165

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Made me think of this: I got a 10G ethernet network card for my NAS only to realize it has to overlap with my modem's supported bandwidths (IIRC 2.5G, 5G). Knowing nothing about the space, I had assumed it would use max(node1, node2), but instead it negotiated a 1G link. So it was faster to use the mobo's built-in 2.5G port.

The 2.5g/5g 'multigig' standard came out a million years after 10g-baseT. Cheap ex-enterprise 10g cards don't know how to do the middle speeds.

Several of them you can reclock the PLLs to hit 2.5 and 5, but it's a very manual process.
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