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MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by jnovek »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

> Why would a company do any of these things?

What? It’s actually insane that they haven’t yet.

I don’t like changing tools. What engineer does? I want to learn one tool and tune it to my exact preferences. Proprietary vendor tools are not portable and I avoid them.

Either Anthropic or OpenAI could drop the first-to-market open coding harness tomorrow and it would be as big as VSCode, it would be the standard platform everyone builds stuff on.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by galaxyLogic »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #213
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

After 16 years on Hacker News, I've come to associate its readership with cheap bastards who think everything should be free while simultaneously wanting to keep their 6-figure jobs. There's a very strong overlap with male gamers, who also think everything involving sophisticated engineering and design should be cheaper than a cup of coffee. Just call it out and maybe we can collectively choose to towards a culture t…

Note it is easy to confuse "free" with "paid by advertisements".

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by vinhnx »

My coding agent VT Code has recently become a Xiaomi Orbit partner. If you want to try out Xiaomi Mimo V2.5 and V2.5 Pro in a different harness, feel free to use my VT Code. VT Code supports Mimo V2.5/Pro via official Xiaomi endpoints and via OpenRouter. Thank you!

[0] https://github.com/vinhnx/VTCode/blob/main/README.md#Provide...

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by galaxyLogic »

Alifatisk wrote: post #103
miroljub wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like they have very effective collaboration with DeepSeek and Kimi. Those three models have been bouncing ideas and sharing R&D innovation, which made all of them improve very fast. Based solely on quality and price, OpenAI, Anthropic, and other western models just can't compete with the new generation of Chinese open models.

> Looks like they have very effective collaboration with DeepSeek and Kimi. Those three models have been bouncing ideas and sharing R&D innovation, which made all of them improve very fast. Very fascinating to learn this, didn't know Moonshoot (Kimi) also collaborated with others. I think I read in another post that DeepSeek and Qwen team shared the same building? So that kind of explains it. > Based solely on qualit…

Consider also Chiness EV prices. Unfortunately you can't buy them in the US it seems. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/averag...

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by bigbadfeline »

idle_zealot wrote: post #207
ignoramous wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s a charity, not a business model. Joel Spolsky in 2002 identified a major pattern in technology business & economics: The pattern of "commoditizing your complement", an alternative to vertical integration, where companies seek to secure a choke point or quasi-monopoly in products composed of many necessary & sufficient layers by dominating one layer while fostering so much competition in another layer above o…

"Commoditizing your complement" is a convenient market phenomenon when it happens, but it's not a hard rule that everything that should be a commodity lands in the window of incentives that result in this strategy being the self-serving optimum for a company. Usage of "should" here can be interpreted as "would be most beneficial to the largest number of people in terms of cumulative productivity" or "not having this…

> but consider the world in which the US officially bans import and usage of all but specifically licensed and approved LLMs.

Then the US will fall behind China and, more importantly, from the rest of the countries in the world who refuse to lobotomize themselves in the manner you described.

There are also other cultural and political risks which, although delayed, may easily grow into something apocalyptic. Rich people building bunkers isn't just a fad, the outcome they envision isn't fiction, it might actually be a part of the plan, and while this is concerning it does make everything simpler.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by bigbadfeline »

digitaltrees wrote: post #201
devmor wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What?

China is giving away AI for free so it’s harder to make money. The same strategy they did with solar panels. Sell them at a loss long enough until the manufacturers go out of business and you’re the only one surviving. Then flip to extract monopoly profits

> China is giving away AI for free so it’s harder to make money.

That might've crossed their minds but that wouldn't move their hand, not even a finger. Politics is the primary driver here, here's the deal:

AI is the new Internet

China foresaw a world where they'd be blocked from it and Anthropic's ongoing attempt to block their own country form it shows how right the Chinese were.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by bigbadfeline »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #213
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

After 16 years on Hacker News, I've come to associate its readership with cheap bastards who think everything should be free while simultaneously wanting to keep their 6-figure jobs. There's a very strong overlap with male gamers, who also think everything involving sophisticated engineering and design should be cheaper than a cup of coffee. Just call it out and maybe we can collectively choose to towards a culture t…

> on Hacker News, I've come to associate its readership with cheap bastards

They might be cheap but they surely aren't stupid. They sure know who not to trust, security beats imaginary profits promised by cheap used-car salesmen who did move software jobs to wherever they could spare a dime.

And you want us to defend their current profits which they swear to use for the removal of the remaining software jobs...

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by bigbadfeline »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #216
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

The complements ARE the LLM AND the harness. The actual products we're all consuming are GPUs. Memory being expensive is a second-order effect. The platform is the GPU, and doing cool shit with it IS the complement, which requires more memory. And demand is so high and will stay high, that it looks like the platform itself.

> And demand is so high and will stay high,

The question is why supply is restricted, primarily by sanctions and tariffs to China, and the expressed refusal of RAM makers to even think about increasing supply, they are actually all sweaty about China taking a bit of the unrestricted market.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by willXare »

porphyra wrote: post #58

Pretty neat that you can just install it and start using it (at a Sonnet 4.6-level model) without needing to sign in or pay. Typically, Chinese websites are a big pain to log in or sign up because they require a +86 phone number due to legal reasons. Being able to use it without having to make an account is amazing for friction reduction. I could probably even just install it onto new machines to help with set up. I…

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