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Re: An Ohio Valley 100k-watt FM signal is severed in broad daylight

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Should we police the scrap yards, or help the fellow citizens who are “skinny, toothless, ragged and smelled of BO and urine” What a place to live.

What have you done to help your fellow citizens? I've been down the path of helping deeply addicted people and learned many hard lessons. Some people can be helped more easily than others. Some are almost impossible without constant professional help that is financially impossible to afford by 99% of the population.

Cope that you called out. May your house always smell of roses.

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Isn't the cali-decriminalization of shoplifting designed to avoid people going to jail.....for the health care they'll receive?

That's laughably false propaganda. Maybe one person one time stole something for jail health care, but the hundreds of thousands of other shoplifters do it for other reasons, ranging from being unable or unwilling to control their childish I-want-that impulses to being part of organized crime rings. To pretend shoplifting at its core stems from not having socialized health care is the height of chicanery.

I mean, yours is just as false by putting everything in a different container.

The issue is all this stuff is complex and multiple causative.

For example metal thefts are by far going to be executed by two groups. 1. Criminal gangs stealing large amounts at once. 2. Methheads looking for anything they can sell for their next fix.

Group 2 can certainly be helped with clinics and healthcare.

Re: An Ohio Valley 100k-watt FM signal is severed in broad daylight

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Kentucky for some reason has an epidemic of this. My father lives in the middle of nowhere in a perfectly safe area, yet still at least once or twice a year someone steals the phone or power lines leading to outages. I live in a similar area in another state and it's nearly unheard of. I wish they'd up the severity of these crimes - people willing to damage infrastructure for everyone else just to make drug money are…

Anecdotes, observation, and a wish:

Locally here in Seattle Greenwood neighborhood, there is a performing arts theater. Acting and such. On the roof of the building lives the air conditioners.

People got up there destroyed the air conditioners took the copper and now the building has to $100,000 to like a million dollars (??) to rebuild their air conditioning.

It's a moderately popular place but it's small so I don't see how this is going to work out well for them.

They had a giant fire not too many years ago and the rebuild and I assume they're still paying for that.

I have observed the local drug users [sometimes housed, there is a "friendly" house nearby] are often seen, by me and others, passing through the nearby alleys, setting up places to work, stripping little thin bits of plastic housing from wire cables that they have stolen. I've talked to them and they are real people but they're addicted so they're compromised. A variety of people,some young and active, some more on the mentally ill side of the vulnerable spectrum. Some violent. A real community.

Another anecdote: They destroyed the copper for the cooling system for a food distributor, four blocks away. A small local business that employees maybe 10 people.

I personally wish fentanyl was not so cheap. In my opinion it makes these kinds of crimes very viable. However I think if fentanyl were more expensive it would overall still be a toxic scenario, with these vulnerable people existing in modern America with its hostile anti-people pro-corporation Pro-profit faux-rugged-individualization cluster of somewhat homeostatic systemic dysfunction.

Re: An Ohio Valley 100k-watt FM signal is severed in broad daylight

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> people willing to damage infrastructure for everyone else Cable theft is particularly destructive because it's so value-destroying. $100k of cable destroyed for a maximum profit of $1k. Or in this particularly egregious UK case, a multimillion pound artwork destroyed for £1,500 scrap value: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2009/may/17/henry-m... I also think that stereotypes make people underestimate rural…

> a multimillion pound artwork destroyed for £1,500 scrap value I think a more apt comparison would be the retail value of the metal compared to the scrap value, since the "multimillion" is more of a subjective artistic value. Egregious nonetheless.

Sure, art is subjective to some extent. But reducing the value of a Henry Moore piece to the value of the material is, well, not very insightful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Moore

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What do you mean by color coordinated the closet?

+1, and how does that relate to meth?

In the way that meth is kind of like Adderall for addicts.

I lived in an apartment for a while and the upstairs neighbor decided to get addicted to meth and vacuum their floor every 30 minutes for a few days, both day and night.

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GP is talking out of his ass - he’s probably not up to speed on meth economics like you and me.

HN constantly undervalues meth and this has been called out since at least 2009. Horrible.

So what IS a current price of meth in some locale?

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> Why hasn’t the economist of the world figured out a solution to this problem. Because the only solutions that work are social. > There has to be a better way when both sides would be better off by just paying the theif double. Some kind of proof of work system to show that you really are crazy enough to do the crime maybe. Kipling has a poem about that one, it doesn't work out.

>Because the only solutions that work are social. This kind of talk from leftist politicians translates to me as : "We will use the criminally insane, and drug addicted against you in a campaign of terror until you vote in Communists. We will do everything in our power to prevent you from imprisoning these people or the people who poison them with drugs to maintain our leverage over you and increase our political pow…

Yea, this is a bunch of ignorant right wing blather.

https://smartdrugpolicy.org/decriminalization-the-portuguese...

The thing about drugs is they are actually insanely cheap. You could make a few million doses of meth for a few thousand dollars at the industrial scale. It's the black market and war on drugs that raise the cost, which in turn lead people to steal.

And as others have mentioned, jails are extremely expensive and breeding grounds for more crime in the future.

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This is not true, it is a false analogy. The war on drugs has been a definite failure, but we can see the effects of lower punishment for low hanging crimes in the decriminalization of shoplifting in california.

Isn't the cali-decriminalization of shoplifting designed to avoid people going to jail.....for the health care they'll receive?

The "cali-decriminilization" of shoplifting is entirely a lie. It's based on shoplifting not being a felony in California for less than $1k, but plenty of other states have higher thresholds for felony shoplifting.

Meanwhile, there is actually (probably? It won't show up in the data) organized crime doing shoplifting now, and that's pretty shitty. But cops just aren't doing their jobs. They need to investigate, and they have that authority, they just choose to not do it because it's boring and there's zero penalty for police department that doesn't do it's job.

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If you believe we can just fix poverty and drug addiction with some government program, I have a bridge to sell you. So far, no one has, anywhere in the world. Many people (and once they get themselves addicted to something bad, that rises to "most") are just terrible and care only about their own short-term gain. They'd do any amount of destruction to others for some small temporary profit or fix.

If you think most people "are just terrible", I think you've let cynicism corrupt your thinking, and I don't think we're going to get very far by talking. I believe the opposite -- people fundamentally want to help each other, and we've structurally set up our society to force people out of that mode and into a competitive mode. Read "A Paradise Built in Hell", when push comes to shove, communities care for each othe…

> most people "are just terrible",

Read my comment again. Many = more than a few people. Nowhere near most people. Most people are great.

However, yes, most addicts who are in the grips of addiction - not in treatment or recovery - I stand by that.

> If we covered everyone's basic food, housing, education, and medical needs, I guarantee you'd see crime and addiction plummet.

We don't agree on this point. Addiction itself is a huge barrier to the people who need help getting help, and a huge barrier to that help making any medium or long-term difference. We do not have a reliable way to fix addiction.

I admit I can't prove this, but I think it's more common that addiction causes complete collapse of everything else (job, housing, and relationships) than the other way around ("Gee, I lost my job, home, and my family and friends abandoned me -- I guess I'll just take up an expensive substance addiction").

Addiction can fixed by either:

1. An incredibly dedicated solo effort, hitting rock bottom and somehow having the personal strength left -- in a body and mind damaged by poison -- to fight it off through sheer force of will, or

2. An incredibly resource-intensive labor of love: Many people coming together to intervene, to help the addict through the most horrible experience of their life (withdrawal), and to monitor them, ideally indefinitely.

The extreme addicts I'm talking about are the ones who have generally driven their families and friends away by their behavior (frequently by lying and stealing to get money for drugs, basically proving too many times that they can't be trusted.) There aren't ever going to be enough government-funded 'surrogate friends' to help every addict in the absence of them having their own support system, which limits them to Option 1, which is wildly difficult and uncommon to happen or succeed.

Re: An Ohio Valley 100k-watt FM signal is severed in broad daylight

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And these thieves were already well cared for in a healthy society with all sorts of opportunities available to them regardless of social status, skin color, and mental heath? Crime goes down when the gap between the rich and the poor goes down.

Look at sibling comments on copper theft in Scandinavian countries. The idea that humans only commit crime out of necessity and wouldn't do it if they could just get a 9-5 job is extremely naive.

Some people can't stomach the idea that some individuals can be blamed for their own bad behavior, so this lie that all crime must be society's fault is the only way they can avoid rethinking their worldview.

I believe that most people are good, but others do not have good character. They are the ones who ruin things for everyone else. They even ruin things for the people who are "good but victims of bad luck." By refusing to deal harshly with the bad actors (e.g. by locking them up), we create a world where you can't really trust anyone, including those who are just down on their luck but have integrity.

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