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Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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That's reading way too much into the earlier posts.

I'd say I'm reading into them the regular amount. Your entire premise is that you wouldn't just hand money to a friend for no reason. I challenged this mentality and whether or not such a friendship is ideal, offering a perspective into why there are more important things in life than money. If this isn't your intent, you should reflect on how you've presented your argument.

I didn't say you have to say no, I said you can say no without any negative implications on your friendship.

I have no idea where you got saying no as a matter of principle.

Also if saying no is putting money above friendship then so is the friend asking for money for no reason!

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say I'm reading into them the regular amount. Your entire premise is that you wouldn't just hand money to a friend for no reason. I challenged this mentality and whether or not such a friendship is ideal, offering a perspective into why there are more important things in life than money. If this isn't your intent, you should reflect on how you've presented your argument.

I didn't say you have to say no, I said you can say no without any negative implications on your friendship. I have no idea where you got saying no as a matter of principle. Also if saying no is putting money above friendship then so is the friend asking for money for no reason!

> I have no idea where you got saying no as a matter of principle.

right after this yous say:

> Also if saying no is putting money above friendship then so is the friend asking for money for no reason!

No, it isn't, and the fact that you see it that way perfectly illustrates the point I've been trying to make.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#253
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>There is no such thing as over the ear monitoring Uhh, what? You go into any recording studio its is probably going to have a set of mdrv6 or mdr7506. Most of what you listen to are probably mixed and mastered with these same cans and its been that way with these same cans for like 4 decades now.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on aggregate sales to studios: 1. Audio-Technica ATH-M50x 2. Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 3. Sony MDR-7506 4. Sennheiser HD 600 / 650 These are used in different situations. Most of the time headphones are used for tracking, which is listening to the live recording of one track. What most people call "monitoring", which is listening to the studio mix, is done on speakers, not headph…

>I'm sorry, but you're regurgitating cliches, and probably don't have deep knowledge of this subject.

>You should get some Airpod Pros, you might like them.

Talk about some nominative determinism between your prickish take and your HN username.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say you have to say no, I said you can say no without any negative implications on your friendship. I have no idea where you got saying no as a matter of principle. Also if saying no is putting money above friendship then so is the friend asking for money for no reason!

> I have no idea where you got saying no as a matter of principle. right after this yous say: > Also if saying no is putting money above friendship then so is the friend asking for money for no reason! No, it isn't, and the fact that you see it that way perfectly illustrates the point I've been trying to make.

To be clear, I don't think either of them is putting money above friendship.

But you haven't explained why you think sometimes saying no is a problem. You said a thing about philosophical principles but I've explicitly told you that's not what I meant. So it's hard for me to make this comparison without knowing what you mean.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#255

Vinyl literally has less than half the dynamic range of CD and has always been compressed before cutting. Hard limiting is a (stupid) choice, but some limiting has always been necessary. The "warm vinyl sound" is basically analog compression with added low-end distortion from the RIAA compensation and some wrinkles at the high end caused by stylus resonance.

CD has better dynamic range, sure. But a CD is also able to represent a signal with _much less dynamic range_ than it’s possible to cut on a record.

It was the move to digital that facilitated the loudness war.

In modern years it’s been fairly common for masters to vinyl to be less compressed than the CD release, for the simple reason vinyl has more limitations.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#256

Vinyl literally has less than half the dynamic range of CD and has always been compressed before cutting. Hard limiting is a (stupid) choice, but some limiting has always been necessary. The "warm vinyl sound" is basically analog compression with added low-end distortion from the RIAA compensation and some wrinkles at the high end caused by stylus resonance.

Which is why it's so bizarre that CDs are generally less dynamic than vinyl. There's no technical reason that should be the case.

There is, see my other reply.

CDs are able to store much louder tracks than can be cut on a record. The technical reason things on CD got louder is because they could.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#257
post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on aggregate sales to studios: 1. Audio-Technica ATH-M50x 2. Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 3. Sony MDR-7506 4. Sennheiser HD 600 / 650 These are used in different situations. Most of the time headphones are used for tracking, which is listening to the live recording of one track. What most people call "monitoring", which is listening to the studio mix, is done on speakers, not headph…

>I'm sorry, but you're regurgitating cliches, and probably don't have deep knowledge of this subject. >You should get some Airpod Pros, you might like them. Talk about some nominative determinism between your prickish take and your HN username.

Have you tried the AirPods yet? I just want you to relax.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#258

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Which is why it's so bizarre that CDs are generally less dynamic than vinyl. There's no technical reason that should be the case.

CDs were most commonly played in cars on the loud highway

Seems very US tunnel vision. Source for this unspecific claim?

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#259

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> I have no idea where you got saying no as a matter of principle. right after this yous say: > Also if saying no is putting money above friendship then so is the friend asking for money for no reason! No, it isn't, and the fact that you see it that way perfectly illustrates the point I've been trying to make.

To be clear, I don't think either of them is putting money above friendship. But you haven't explained why you think sometimes saying no is a problem. You said a thing about philosophical principles but I've explicitly told you that's not what I meant. So it's hard for me to make this comparison without knowing what you mean.

Obviously sometimes saying no is a problem. But, the user I responded to, and you to a degree, seemed to, intentionally or not, use this "sometimes" as a lever for "anytime". To be clear, my original criticism is meant for NikolaNovak and his friend's unwillingness to sell something to him at a slight discount. They initially say "slightly less" but later say "20%", I'm unsure which is the real number, obviously the perceived value of a high percentage discount does not scale as linearly.

You replied, saying "Declining to give you $600 out of the blue because you'd rather have more money is not being indifferent," and so I responded to this and your earlier comment, "If you ask your friend for $100 for no particular reason, just because you want $100, that's an annoying request and "no" is a reasonable response," because I disagree with it as framed.

Since then, you have widened that argument to give it more support, and we can now both certainly agree that there's nothing wrong with saying no to a request for money/gifts from a friend. And we can agree it would be annoying for a friend to constantly ask that, or even to ask a single time in certain contexts without sufficient social capital.

I understand your intended meaning might be different than how it came across to me, and said, "If this isn't your intent, you should reflect on how you've presented your argument."

I mean no ill intent and don't want this to devolve into an actual argument, so it's probably best we wind it down. If I came across as judgemental, I apologize, for my part I was attempting to offer my own perspective on what friendship can mean to different people.

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