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Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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#251
I tried flux and it was a total waste of time. I get the idea it’s for rank beginners, maybe it’s useful at that level?

Honestly, I haven’t seen an autorouter that doesn’t take at least as much time as it takes to do it by hand to sort out the results. But then I’m also not paying thousands for premium tools, so???

I find that with some experience, routing and placement is kinda the fun part..

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#253

hi everyone, its me 'ladyada. we're very much looking forward to telling our story, i have reached out to the founder of flux.ai (Matthias Wagner - Founder & CEO at Flux), in hopes we can resolve this together and set a good example for the community. looking forward to maybe seeing this resolved on a podcast together, or something

Can we see the demand letter, please? If not, why not? My concern here is that this is like a child going to their parents to complain their sibling hit them, only to find out when you ask the sibling that the first one pushed them off their bicycle. If you don't share it, I think it's a reasonable assumption that you're coming in with unclean hands, trying to use the court of opinion to gain sympathy while denying u…

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#255

Adafruit probably did a review of AI PCB tools. I've used Flux.ai before; it was a pretty bad experience. After about 50-100$ in tokens a couple of times, I couldn't get more than a couple of simple components on the schematic. And not in sensible positions. The product just grinds tokens for little return, in my opinion. I had far better luck wiring together KiCad MCP, SKIDL. There are some AI-driven autorouters out…

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#257
post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a modeling of language, it's not structurally anything like an LLM.

It’s literally a trigram (character) language model. Check any NLP book from before 2015 or so. LLMs have more stuff bolted onto them (embeddings, RLHF) but the autoregressive core is a direct descendent of that sort of language model.

So, LM vs LLM? :)

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#258
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are some AI-driven autorouters out there now. Placement is probably the big issue that needs to be solved now. Interesting that within an IC this is basically "solved", or at least properly automated with classical numeric techniques such as simulated annealing. I would have thought there's a big opportunity in a mixed-technique approach, where you use AI to extract unstructured data from datasheets and then…

> mixed-technique approach I think my biggest annoyance with the way we rolled out AI is that nobody seemed to want to use it to augment already working solutions. Just throw everything out and have an LLM do it instead.

If its any consolation: once we've burnt the last crumb of coal, the last drop of oil and last bit of natural gas to fuel the AI overlords, that particular problem will take care of itself.

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#259

Had anyone tried AutoPCB ( https://autopcb.app/ ) instead? Seems especially useful when paired with an agentic coding tool!

Yep, and it’s terrible Not only did it burn a 100$ failing but it did so in a very untransparent way. I bought a 20 dollar plan but they snuck a 100$ billed usage into the billing agreements next thing I know the agent as used the quote going in circles and my card is billed.

Have you found anything that you like?

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#260
Flux.ai is probably trying to hide the fact their product does not do what it says it does and they're basically scamming you out of your money (won't even refund you for prompts that did not do what they said they would do.) The entire thing was trash when I tried it two years ago and it's still very much trash now, not even able to do a basic TSOP LED driver without you needing to spend hundreds of dollars to correct its mistakes.
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