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Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by dalemhurley »

Mandatory don’t hate me: I am a massive AI and automation fan since 2008.

The problem right now is the barrier to create automation and use AI has reduced so much people are not deliberately making decisions about how these tools should work. This means the tools primarily focus on happy paths, and only get refined to the point that they do a “good enough job” and then are shipped. The other issue is people who don’t understand what they are building are shipping brittle and fragile solutions but don’t understand how that is an issue because the AI “just works”, however they get upset when it doesn’t scale.

The solution is to embrace AI and Automation, but slow down planning, architecture, error handling and testing.

This means we still reap the efficiencies but don’t ignore reality.

Code happy, Dale

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by vkou »

ryandrake wrote: post #148
glaslong wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes this is why the higher level org functions are in love with AI. It's very similar to the levers they had already, but is faster and more directly actionable. The downsides being that the AI loses important control levers like "self preservation" via paycheck, career advancement, staying out of jail, etc. that were mitigations on catastrophic outcomes. It will delete your prod db faster and with a bigger smile tha…

> It's very similar to the levers they had already Think about it from the point of view of a hundred-millionaire tech executive. These people's entire interaction with the world outside of themselves/their families is through 1. administrative servants like assistants, personal shoppers, and other hired help, and 2. yes-man sycophants in their direct orbit whose job it is to agree with and enable them. To someone li…

Which is precisely why AI is such a godawful thing for society. It enables powerful idiots with incredible amounts of control over your life to be bigger, dumber powerful idiots.

That's the real AI safety concern, not whether or not chatgpt will tell you to kill yourself.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by skinfaxi »

dalemhurley wrote: post #251

Mandatory don’t hate me: I am a massive AI and automation fan since 2008. The problem right now is the barrier to create automation and use AI has reduced so much people are not deliberately making decisions about how these tools should work. This means the tools primarily focus on happy paths, and only get refined to the point that they do a “good enough job” and then are shipped. The other issue is people who don’t…

> The solution is to embrace AI and Automation, but slow down planning, architecture, error handling and testing.

How does that work in practice? How do you implement that from the bottom up if the psychosis is top-down?

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by jrflowers »

themafia wrote: post #202
Brendinooo wrote: post #36

It's hardly a tech CEO thing, and I dunno if "psychosis" is a fair or accurate way to talk about it. I worked with someone who was kind of a Shopify power user, managed the store, could do a lot of things, but wasn't a programmer. She showed me how Shopify does that AI block generator now to deliver something that was like 65% done in a minute. I also have a friend who knows enough code to be dangerous in WordPress:…

> I dunno if "psychosis" is a fair or accurate way to talk about it. > And that's very...intoxicating! Would you prefer if we say they're suffering from AI-holism?

>Would you prefer if we say they're suffering from AI-holism?

Slopaholics Anonymous

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by fc417fc802 »

drngdds wrote: post #196
IAmGraydon wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Psychosis is a medical term for a collection of symptoms that indicate a loss of contact with reality. He posits that reality is that AI cannot automate nearly as many things as people believe it can, while C-suites ignore that reality and dive head first into belief without evidence. Tell me how using that term discredits the author.

That's not psychosis, that's just being wrong. Perhaps read something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis

"Being wrong" versus "loss of contact with reality" is simply a matter of degree.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by fc417fc802 »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #129
WalterBright wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We could drive energy prices down to nothing. Not when you're paying people to coat their properties in solar panels. As you noted, that would cost plenty. Solar panels also degrade over time. By the time the "free" electricity has paid for the installation, you'll need to replace it.

How often do you think solar panels need to be replaced?

Approximately 3 times during the course of your life assuming you receive them when you're born and live for 100 years. They're roughly equivalent to wood siding or an asphalt shingle roof.

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by ulbu »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #201
SecretDreams wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then it'll try to remove the process that is using it and promptly commit suicide. Not unlike a child trying to take the safety cover off a plug so that they can stick a fork into it. LLMs need that "world model" view that most people have acquired by their 20s where they (hopefully) stop to ask "why" before they "do".

That is a pretty good analogy. Like exceedingly smart 5 year olds. Or whatever the age is before children typically develop object permanence, a theory of mind, and so on.

or pain perception

Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

QuercusMax wrote: post #218
arjie wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nomenclature that makes sense for me is that the agent is the combination of the harness and the model. The model provides text-completion, the harness provides the loop around it, and the agent is the full structure of both. However, nomenclature evolves over time. I recall (perhaps falsely) that The Cloud was specifically a term for elastic on-demand provider-managed compute/storage/network. Over time, it came…

The Cloud originally just meant servers on someone else's network; it came from flowchart diagrams in the 70s.

I worked at a classic "cloud" providing company. We called "the fog". That was more descriptive of the seemingly non-deterministic nature of the overall system(s).
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